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Old 10-05-2004, 09:30 AM
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Z Max additive ? ?

My son has been singing the benefits of using oil additive called Z max. I have never heard of it or used product. Anyone ever tried this wonder product....THANKS......DAVE

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Old 10-05-2004, 09:40 AM
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Bottom line is, oil additives are not needed. Most are "snake oil" at best. Z-Max claims to soak into the metal, what a load of horse$#@%. People who fall for this grabage should call me, I have some property 100 miles south of Galveston I would like to sell them

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Pulled this from another site. (bobistheoilguy.com)

Just Say No to Aftermarket Additives
The performance benefits of aftermarket additives are mostly unsubstantiated.

This article appeared in AMSOIL DirectLine, December 1, 2001

AMSOIL has long discouraged motorists from using any kind of aftermarket lubricant additive. After all, AMSOIL synthetic lubricants use the finest quality synthetic basestocks and additive systems. In the “Questions and Answers About AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils” brochure (G-359), in response to the question “Should oil additives or aftermarket products be added to AMSOIL motor oils?” it states, “No, you don’t need them. AMSOIL motor oils are formulated under the strictest quality control standards to provide superior lubrication performance. Additives cost money and only detract from the quality of AMSOIL motor oils.”

A perfect example of why AMSOIL discourages use of aftermarket additives is the Federal Trade Commission’s (FTC) recent lawsuit against zMax auto additives, seeking to halt false and misleading advertising and gain refunds for consumers who purchased the products. According to the FTC, the enhanced performance benefits zMax claims its products provide are totally unsubstantiated, and in the same tests cited to support performance claims, motor oil treated with zMax actually produced more than twice as much bearing corrosion than motor oil by itself. They further allege that the three different zMax products - an engine additive, a fuel line additive and a transmission additive - are nothing more than tinted mineral oil.

The complaint states that since at least May of 1999, zMax has aired infomercials promoting its “Power System,” a $39 package of three additives to be used in the engine, fuel line and transmission of automobiles. The infomercials are quite convincing, even going as far as featuring testimonials from various consumers and race car drivers making such claims as, “I was averaging about 22 miles to the gallon on the highway. I installed the zMax and so I jumped right up to about 28 miles per gallon” and “zMax guarantees a minimum of 10 percent gas mileage increase.” Other advertising claims “zMax with LinKite has the scientific, CRC L38 proof it takes your car to the Max!” and “Why zMax Works - Cuts carbon build-up on valve stems 66%; Lowers wear on valve stems 66%; Lowers wear on piston skirts 60%; Reduces blow-by leakage 17.7%; Increases combustion efficiency 9.25%; Lowers fuel consumption 8.5% - Results of an independent CRC L38 test.”

The CRC L38 test is a standard auto industry test which measures the bearing corrosion protection properties of motor oils. According to the complaint, in early 1997 an independent testing facility performed two CRC L38 tests of the zMax products. The results showed motor oil treated with the zMax additives produced more than double the bearing corrosion as motor oil alone. According to the FTC, the defendants eliminated the bearing corrosion results, as well as all other negative results, to produce one “report” from the two sets of tests, using this “report” in its infomercials and on its website.

The FTC charge alleges that zMax did not possess and rely on reasonable substantiation for the following product claims:

• increases gas mileage by a minimum of 10%
• reduces engine wear
• reduces or eliminates engine wear at startup
• reduces engine corrosion
• extends engine life
• reduces emissions

They also allege that the defendants falsely represent that the results of the CRC L38 test prove that zMax:

• increases gas mileage
• reduces engine wear
• extends engine life
• lowers fuel consumption by 8.5%
• lowers wear on valve stems by 66%
• lowers wear on piston skirts by 60%
• cuts carbon build-up on valve stems by 66%

Finally, the FTC charges that zMax does not have substantiation for the representation that the testimonials and endorsements shown in zMax advertising are “the actual and current opinions, findings, beliefs, and/or experiences of those consumers; and the typical or ordinary experience of members of the public who use the product.”

The lawsuit against zMax is the latest in a long line of FTC charges against auto additive manufacturers. The FTC has previously halted allegedly deceptive advertising by the marketers of Dura Lube, Motor Up, Prolong, Valvoline, Slick 50, STP and other major brands of engine treatment systems.
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Well put Jmark, but the lemmings that believe the propaganda will not change, or quit using this trash.

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The only "link" in "linkite", (their secret additive), is the link between YOUR now empty wallet and THEIR fatter bottom line.

I could open your hood, and pretend to make some "magic adjustment" and then go for a ride with you. After making all kinds of claims to "do you feel the zip you got now"? eventually you would "feel" it too and think i'm the greatest mechanic around, even though I did NOTHING to your engine. The hype goes right to the head of the buyer.
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Oil companys are some of the wealthiest companys in the world, they have multi billion dollar test sites and facilities. Dont you think If any of these formulas were good, they would find a way to add it into there oil.
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HEY: THanks for your response. That is about what I thought. When I was in high school in 60's STP was introduced and everybody bought it like wildfire. We all put it in our old cars and it never made much difference, except to my meager wallet. I remember some kids filled their whole crankcase with it and on cold morning the old 6 volters would not even crank..... DAVE
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z max sure works....

or is it the fat metabolizer that im using?? hmmm, naaaw...
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One product I know that works is Duralube. I had a 91 Sentra that ran over a center embankment cutting open the oil pan. All the oil drained out of the car and the vehicle was driven 15 miles home. After thinking the worse. I ended up putting a new oil pan on and filling it with oil and another quart of duralube and the motor ran perfectly. I had a 78 Suburban that I put duralube into, that would run out of oil about once a week. I was hoping the motor would blow up so I could replace it but the motor kept running. The motor had over 200,000 miles on it.
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