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Ok so lets say i go to a carb and add the zz4 cam so the computer is out of the way. How bad will my mpg go down i would say it gets 20 mpg highway now what would it be after.

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Emissions controls were first used by the factories in 1967, so buy yourself any make or model that's 1966 or older and install any rump-rump cam that you want to.

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Ok so lets say i go to a carb and add the zz4 cam so the computer is out of the way. How bad will my mpg go down i would say it gets 20 mpg highway now what would it be after.
Realistically? It could end up in the single digits but probabaly low to mid teens. I have known SOOO many guys over the years that have done what you're wanting to do and turned decent running cars into total turds.

The ZZ4 cam doesn't even have that much of a lopey idle, even in a 305. I'm putting one in a 305 for my truck BUT I'm building the engine from the block up to make use of the ZZ4 cam with Vortec heads, flat top pistons, 9.8 to 1 compression, aftermarket intake, Tri-Y headers and my truck already has the torque converter and gears to make it work. I'm counting on NOT hearing much cam.
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I dont care about emissions controls the only thin i still use on my car is the o2 sensor i already took off my smog pump and i dont have a MAF and my car runs great.

I guess i need to ask this now is their any bigger cam that will work with my stock computer if i have to do valve springs thats no big deal that is in a OE motor.

My stock cam is 178/194 @ .050, .350"/.385", 109* lobe seperation 112
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That's what's wrong with America.
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No thats what right with america freedom of choice my car runs alot cleaner thin most where i live. I keep my caprice tip top hot plugs good gas 289k on motor runs like a champ. I guess if you dont like that get out of the usa.
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No thats what right with america freedom of choice my car runs alot cleaner thin most where i live. I keep my caprice tip top hot plugs good gas 289k on motor runs like a champ. I guess if you dont like that get out of the usa.
It's not about how clean your motor runs, it's about breaking the law. That makes you part of what's wrong with America. Nobody said that you have the freedom of choice to obey some laws and scoff at other laws that don't fit your lifestyle.

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i dont have them laws where i live they dont care in ky ive looked it up.

that cam 14097395 isnt computer controlled i thought it had to be.
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I know the ramjet is EFI but summit which has the cam says its not computer controlled i like the cam for $175 its sweet. If you say that cam will work thats what i will get and i would like to know what size valve springs i need and would a port and polish be a good idea.
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Its guys like this that give guys like me with an 80s car a bad rap... *sigh*
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how is that i dont have a 80's car its a 91 LOL
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That's what's wrong with America.
Really? You've said some pretty outlandish crap before but this?

Everyone that knows anything about auto emissions laws knows they're a crock of ****. The fact that by breaking a lot of them you can actually lower your ghg emissions says how backwards they are.

Show me a CO2e/mile law and maybe we can start talking about justifiable laws. In someways breaking them can be the patriotic thing to do.
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Really? You've said some pretty outlandish crap before but this?

Everyone that knows anything about auto emissions laws knows they're a crock of ****. The fact that by breaking a lot of them you can actually lower your ghg emissions says how backwards they are.

Show me a CO2e/mile law and maybe we can start talking about justifiable laws. In someways breaking them can be the patriotic thing to do.
As is usual for you, you're missing the whole point. You and mafiacustomz are taking an irresponsible and childish view of what I'm trying to get across.

Most of those on this board, including you, were not alive in 1970. So you have not lived through the horror of breathing air from Los Angeles or any other population center in America back then. People died from breathing it. People got sick from breathing it. Something had to be done, so the Congress began to inact laws and regulations to clean up the air. It's not like it was done for some special interest group or groups, everyone had to breathe the same air. These photos will give you an idea of what we had to deal with.....
https://www.google.com/search?q=phot...w=1248&bih=665

Here's a summary of the Clean Air Act of 1970, the first of many changes to the law to help clean the air that all of us must breathe.....
Summary of the Clean Air Act | Laws and Regulations | US EPA

Now, along comes AP72 and mafiacustomz with their pizzy little attitudes, thinking that these laws don't apply to them. Well, they do apply to you the same as they apply to every other person who lives in this country.

What I'm trying to get across is that if EVERYONE obeyed all the laws, we would have no need for police, courts, jails, prisons and all those God-awful attorneys suckin' the money out of our wallets and life would be wonderful, just like God intended it to be in the first place.

You need look no further than the 10 Commandments. It's all right there, how to conduct yourself without making waves for others. But you two pick and choose which laws you think you should obey.

And that's what's wrong with America.
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As is usual for you, you're missing the whole point. You and mafiacustomz are taking an irresponsible and childish view of what I'm trying to get across.

Most of those on this board, including you, were not alive in 1970. So you have not lived through the horror of breathing air from Los Angeles or any other population center in America back then. People died from breathing it. People got sick from breathing it. Something had to be done, so the Congress began to inact laws and regulations to clean up the air. It's not like it was done for some special interest group or groups, everyone had to breathe the same air. These photos will give you an idea of what we had to deal with.....
https://www.google.com/search?q=phot...w=1248&bih=665

Here's a summary of the Clean Air Act of 1970, the first of many changes to the law to help clean the air that all of us must breathe.....
Summary of the Clean Air Act | Laws and Regulations | US EPA

Now, along comes AP72 and mafiacustomz with their pizzy little attitudes, thinking that these laws don't apply to them. Well, they do apply to you the same as they apply to every other person who lives in this country.

What I'm trying to get across is that if EVERYONE obeyed all the laws, we would have no need for police, courts, jails, prisons and all those God-awful attorneys suckin' the money out of our wallets and life would be wonderful, just like God intended it to be in the first place.

You need look no further than the 10 Commandments. It's all right there, how to conduct yourself without making waves for others. But you two pick and choose which laws you think you should obey.

And that's what's wrong with America.
You really think politicians know anything about science and pollutions when they write laws? You're citing EPA regulations to a guy who's done a LOT more environmental work than probably anyone else on this board. I can tell you first hand that while the clean air and water laws were a good thing at first they are WAY out of hand.

Instead of addressing my issue- namely that the laws themselves carry little to no merit- you just leave it up to politicians to make your decisions and refute any need for merit.

THAT is the problem with America- people are either too dumb or lazy to think for themselves and insist that someone else take care of them.
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This is good and all but can you move it to another post im trying to work on getting my cam and valve springs.
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