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Old 02-18-2018, 08:59 AM
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Yes that too, the cowl vent and front upper and lower valence panels will tell you when your fenders are sitting at the right distance apart from each other, without those in place the tops of the fenders could be way off only to be found out when you try to install them later . lay the cowl down and snuggle the fenders up to it then the valences too.
I noticed the big ledge on the rocker too, suggesting the door bottom needs to come out but first things first too much info all at once might just further confuse you.
This can get frustrating to say the least so if you find yourself cussing and getting mad just walk away from it. When you come back, play your favorite music and relax, no sense throwing a hammer or your favorite tools, patching holes in the walls just makes MORE work for you.
Something else to remember, focusing on one spot or gap and making it perfect is a waste of your time because when you get to the next panel you may very likely find that it all has to be loosened up and readjusted so just get them close and put ALL the sheetmetal on then tweek them as a unit. I only put a few bolts in and just snug them finger tight. A lot of the time the support has to be slid one way or the other with everything attached this affects the fender to gaps also hood gaps too.

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Yes that too, the cowl vent and front upper and lower valence panels will tell you when your fenders are sitting at the right distance apart from each other, without those in place the tops of the fenders could be way off only to be found out when you try to install them later . lay the cowl down and snuggle the fenders up to it then the valences too.
I noticed the big ledge on the rocker too, suggesting the door bottom needs to come out but first things first too much info all at once might just further confuse you.
This can get frustrating to say the least so if you find yourself cussing and getting mad just walk away from it. When you come back, play your favorite music and relax, no sense throwing a hammer or your favorite tools, patching holes in the walls just makes MORE work for you.
Something else to remember, focusing on one spot or gap and making it perfect is a waste of your time because when you get to the next panel you may very likely find that it all has to be loosened up and readjusted so just get them close and put ALL the sheetmetal on then tweek them as a unit. I only put a few bolts in and just snug them finger tight. A lot of the time the support has to be slid one way or the other with everything attached this affects the fender to gaps also hood gaps too.
Thus the "Basics of Basics" on how to take a photo and look at panel gap!

https://www.hotrodders.com/forum/basi...it-499546.html

The cowl doesn't have a removal vent that I remember, the hood goes up to the windshield.

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Question that hasn't been asked...has the rocker been repaired or replaced, and because of that it extends too far forward??

Or is the rocker original, and the fender is the problem??

Just looking at the door fit, it appears the rocker is too long, extends too far forward compared to the end of the door..


Thanks for responding the rocker is original - I'm assuming it's something with the fender as I didn't have any problem mounting the new passenger side fender - and they both came from same supplier.
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Whats up with the dent on the door edge, how bad is that?

Are any of the fender bolts in place?

Is the core support in place?

It looks to me as though the first thing needing to change is the fender coming down at the rear. First place my eyes would go is to the 3 bolt holes at top rear... one in door jamb, one at firewall, and one vertical on the wiper cowl.

Find out which of those is first to prevent travel back and down. Let the bottom and front hang loose for now, and ignore the big body lines. Just get the top rear of the fender to go down and back. First thing I suspect is the firewall bolt area. Often, the tab next to the hood hinge bolts is bent or needs to be. That inner brace of the fender is obviously the most difficult area to manufacture, and is where most issues arise.

If bolts are in, loosen those three and see who is aganst the edge of their bolt hole now. Then report please. As a reference, it is not unusual to have a couple days in making a troublesome fender fit. But refrain from guessing how to remedy conflicts you find until you can clearly show us all of them that you find. Again, disregard the big body lines if not level at this point.

My bet is that a mount tab is bent or out of position on the fender at the firewall or pillar and that if you bend to fix, the vertical fender bolt hole at cowl will no longer be directly over the hole in the body there.
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The cowl doesn't have a removal vent that I remember, the hood goes up to the windshield.

Brian[/QUOTE] Right you are Brian, for some reason I was thinking 69 Camaro. 70 and up need the hood on along with everything else.
A few more of your basics of basics and there wont be any need for human interaction at all. Or experienced pro's, All we really need is writers.
Which reminds me, when adjusting doors and hoods and decks be sure to remove the latches or strikers until they are positioned where you want them, they go in last when your gaps are done. I use 2" masking tape to hold the doors shut until then.
I'd explain how to properly adjust strikers and latches but that is done after all this is finished. No sense jumping the gun.
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try to get that door out. That's gonna change the appearance of the gaps. they need to be flush with your rocker and fender. Your fender floats but your hood gap, and door gap will tell you where it needs to be flush wise. Being that far in/out is so much that by not addressing that first you might be thinking too far ahead due to the fact the gap will change once flush. Anywho, tabs or jambs. Look closely at what's holding it. A little twist here, a little twist there, maybe wedging a spoon in the gap. Last case scenario you can shim up your support but I'd check your subframe mounts and bushings before that. I'm betting it's your jambs or tabs like Idrivejunk mentioned, but first get it flush or close. that would be your door tilt bolts on the door jamb. Do one at a time or the door will drop. Loosen one hinge and push out hard and tighten. Do the same for the lower. The upper might have to go back in but the lower stays to the rocker, and so fender has to come in to match door bottom. Also be sure you have factory fender bolts with the teeth. Putting anything else down low won't hold if you're asking it to hold a gap for you.
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THANKs to all for your valuable info - PUT some music on a rethought the situation - finally found a preform tab on the bottom side of the fender that wasn't allowing the fender to curl under like it should - cut aprox 1/4" of the tab off problem solved - Again thanks for the in put it was all good info
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THANKs to all for your valuable info - PUT some music on a rethought the situation - finally found a preform tab on the bottom side of the fender that wasn't allowing the fender to curl under like it should - cut aprox 1/4" of the tab off problem solved - Again thanks for the in put it was all good info
WHAM BAM, sounds good! Yep, modify what is wrong to fit what is right.

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Thanks for responding the rocker is original - I'm assuming it's something with the fender as I didn't have any problem mounting the new passenger side fender - and they both came from same supplier.
You got that right, Some sweat shop in China. That's where they all come from.
I know one guy who had to cut the spot welds and tweak the fender to just to get them bolted on the car.
What do the hood to fender and header gaps look like.?
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It looks as if the front of the door has been repaired at sone time ,could be tweaked a little,,these pictures are of my 77 Z28 the bromn picture it was about a month old,and the Red about 5 years age,(same car )as you can see they did not have good seams when new,,GM was just interested in getting them out the door Corvette was the worst of al GN cars for fit and finish,

that being said I normally fit the door first then the fender on a Camaro if you see one perfect it has had a LOT of work ,notice the oeak in the center of the door it will Never fit perfect if it does the door will not open (design flaw ) but you can get it close..might have to zoom pictures.
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