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3M body filler difference

What is the difference between the 3M 1131 and the 1171? One is Platinum and the other Platinum Plus.

I had the plus, it is yellow/gold color. Thought I bought the same stuff but when I opened it was surprised to see it is almost white, then noticed it's not the "plus".

From what I can tell, the Platinum Plus is specially for use with the "3M Dynamic Mixing System", whatever that is? I'm thinking that "system" mixes the hardener with the filler so you don't have to???

So I have the 1131 without the "Plus". I don't have a "3M Dynamic Mixing System", so is it just as good?

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Looks like the 1171 is a superior product if there is a concern about grip and use on alternative panels. On sheet metal I would doubt if there is much of a difference although it does suggest that it hides better under basecoats. So it's probably developed for production shops that would like to do fill work, shoot primer, block and base rather than having to spend funds on a sealer.


The system simply provides the exact measure of filler:hardener. Again a production shop would save money in not wasting badly mixed filler or going back over it for pinholes with a catalyzed putty product.
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I've used both. You'll find the "non-plus" is not as creamy smooth as the "plus".

The plus is almost, but not quite, like metal glaze. Really nice stuff. The non plus is not bad stuff but more along the lines of a traditional body filler.
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I think we got things mixed up. The non plus is almost white, I took it back and got the plus. If I had known the white stuff was creamier I would have kept it. (I had opened the can but not tried any) Too late now, I started to use the Plus gold color stuff.

I had called 3M and they sure didn't know crap about the difference between them, I guess it wasn't on the computer in front of him.
While on the phone with them I asked what the shelf life is and he said 18 months from the date of manufacturing. Well hell, the stuff I just emptied was about 7 years old and seemed just fine. I was hoping the "fresh" stuff would be thinner but no go.
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I don't want to hijack this thread but I've been wondering about the shelf life of filler myself. I've got a can of "Evercoat Rage Gold" with about two inches of material left in it and a can of "Evercoat Extreme" that's about three years old with about the same amount. I was going to combine the two into one can. Are they compatible? What's the shelf life of Evercoat? The older can has sat in an unheated garage where temperatures get down below zero.
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I don't want to hijack this thread but I've been wondering about the shelf life of filler myself. I've got a can of "Evercoat Rage Gold" with about two inches of material left in it and a can of "Evercoat Extreme" that's about three years old with about the same amount. I was going to combine the two into one can. Are they compatible? What's the shelf life of Evercoat? The older can has sat in an unheated garage where temperatures get down below zero.

I wouldn't mix the two. Try calling or emailing the manufacturer on Monday is your best bet. Some things say to not let it freeze, but unless it has water in it I really don't understand why it would matter. But again, down below zero is pretty low. Best bet is to move south and buy new stuff.
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I don't want to hijack this thread but I've been wondering about the shelf life of filler myself. I've got a can of "Evercoat Rage Gold" with about two inches of material left in it and a can of "Evercoat Extreme" that's about three years old with about the same amount. I was going to combine the two into one can. Are they compatible? What's the shelf life of Evercoat? The older can has sat in an unheated garage where temperatures get down below zero.
Those products would mix just fine. But for two inches in bottoms of cans and years old, I would rather not use it on a skin panel or on somebody else's ride. The filler might be OK but not the hardener. Evercoat would like their filler products to be used within about a hundred days from manufacture. Anybody's hardener goes bad way way way before the filler. If less viscuous material is desired, dump in MetalGlaze. It also mixes with those products.
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The more I thought about it I agree with dumping it. Not worth risking a paint job over a few dollars of filler.

And Tony, as far as moving south goes, you may be surprised to know there are actually people (like me) who can't stand hot weather and love the cold.
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I think we got things mixed up. The non plus is almost white, I took it back and got the plus. If I had known the white stuff was creamier I would have kept it. (I had opened the can but not tried any) Too late now, I started to use the Plus gold color stuff.

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I think you misunderstood me. The Plus is a smoother spreading filler. I actually like it better then Rage when it comes to putting on tighter coats.
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The more I thought about it I agree with dumping it. Not worth risking a paint job over a few dollars of filler.

And Tony, as far as moving south goes, you may be surprised to know there are actually people (like me) who can't stand hot weather and love the cold.

Well that's *cool* with me.
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I think you misunderstood me. The Plus is a smoother spreading filler. I actually like it better then Rage when it comes to putting on tighter coats.

Oh good, I ended up with the right stuff after all.
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I've used both. You'll find the "non-plus" is not as creamy smooth as the "plus".

The plus is almost, but not quite, like metal glaze. Really nice stuff. The non plus is not bad stuff but more along the lines of a traditional body filler.
my thoughts exactly. The non plus is also a greyish color while the plus is a little greener. Great products
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