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John long 07-04-2013 08:58 PM

You guys are just jealous because I have the top down.

Ray, I would also like to have a set of dies that will roll a step. I am not referring to a flanging die. I have those. I am referring to the dies that they use to roll flames or accents into panels with. I have seen some really creative work done with them.

John

HoneyBadger 07-04-2013 11:29 PM

Thanks, thats clears it up. Anyone care to comment on tipping with the Ewheel vs dies in a bead roller? I don't have a bead roller yet. Still working on being friends with the Ewheel, LOL.

I really enjoy watching others projects come along, motivates me to get out to my shop.

John long 07-05-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger (Post 1691182)
Thanks, thats clears it up. Anyone care to comment on tipping with the Ewheel vs dies in a bead roller? I don't have a bead roller yet. Still working on being friends with the Ewheel, LOL.

I really enjoy watching others projects come along, motivates me to get out to my shop.

I am sure the bead roller would do well if you had a powered one. The good thing about using the E-wheel is you have both hands to hold your work. With the bead roller, you either need help or a motor powered unit. My budget never allowed for that.

John

MARTINSR 07-05-2013 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by John long (Post 1691141)
To form a curved angle on a piece of metal here is one method using an English Wheel:

Place a shim under the lower axle to tip the wheel.
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Now you can work your metal through the anvils using a back and forth motion. After a couple of passes you will begin to get a little distortion in the work piece. This can be corrected with the shrinker/stretcher jaws.
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Finally, you will need to complete your bend with a hammer and dolly because the English Wheel will not allow you to make a full 90 degree bend. This method will allow you to form a lip for a door skin or similar piece whether or not the panel is flat or has a compound curve.

Hope this is beneficial information.

John

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That is some GREAT info well laid out John, very good stuff. I need to get a good English wheel. I have a "Low buck tools" one that is pretty funky. I will get it out this week end and make a mount on the wall for it and the planishing hammer. I can make some compound curves with it, but that is about it, sure can't do any real nice stuff. But then again with more practice maybe I could. But the wheels are way to small, it's a "bench mount" and not nearly as big as yours. But really, that is great info, thanks.

Brian

1971BB427 07-05-2013 10:12 AM

Really great tutorial John! Amazing to see how you take a flat sheet and work it into something that looks like it was stamped out with a die! Thanks for showing the steps!

John long 07-05-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 1971BB427 (Post 1691248)
Really great tutorial John! Amazing to see how you take a flat sheet and work it into something that looks like it was stamped out with a die! Thanks for showing the steps!

They are a little pricey but John Glover has produced some training videos that are excelent. I have the two tape set where he makes a Model A front fender from scratch. He makes the entire fender, does the joggle along the edge and installs the wire edge all by hand. It is 4 hours long and absolutely fascinating to watch.

There are other good ones out there but he was one of the first. As I remember he worked for Ford Motor Company for years in their design dept. He is a true craftsman. I wish I had just a little of his skill.

John

John long 07-05-2013 08:51 PM

My son-in-law came yesterday and brought work cloths with him. Tim has a nice '39 Chevy street rod he bought a few years ago but is really interested i the fabrication part of the hobby and is always interested in learning something new. I turned him loose on making the front LH body mount. I think He did an awsome job. You don't know how much I enjoyed working with him today.

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stroker_SS 07-05-2013 09:11 PM

Way to go john, I'm amazed at how you are able to recreate these pieces with such large portions of them rusted away.

white72gs455 07-05-2013 09:19 PM

Dang...
 
I wish we were neighbors... I could use your skills!

Seems like everyone around here would rather just walk their dog.

John long 07-05-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by white72gs455 (Post 1691372)
I wish we were neighbors... I could use your skills!

Seems like everyone around here would rather just walk their dog.

As a matter of fact, the house accross the street is for sale :mwink:

John

timothale 07-05-2013 10:15 PM

HF dies
 
I've done a lot of work to my HF bead roller. BUT the first thing I should have done 6 years ago was to drill, tap and add grease zerks to the "bearing" blocks. I am up to the farm and don't have part numbers but I bought the orange "skate board" type wheel From Reid supply for the botton shaft, it was a good fit. For the top I bought a 22 MM "Browning" type hub and V belt pully from Burden's surplus center. for the top for a tipping roller. I have been gathering up pieces from old farm machinery, a box stapling machine for making 50# cardboard potatoe boxes into a dedicated thumb nail shrinker, old sharpening machine into a mini pulmax, parts from grain planters into a slip roller. Hydralics from an old tractor into a louver press.

NEW INTERIORS 07-05-2013 11:49 PM

I was right !!!!!:mwink:
I thought I saw him watching TV.... I now see the TV... No getting out of it now Mr.John...:nono::D:thumbup:

Looking good,,,Keep the pictures coming....:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

John long 07-06-2013 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timothale (Post 1691380)
I've done a lot of work to my HF bead roller. BUT the first thing I should have done 6 years ago was to drill, tap and add grease zerks to the "bearing" blocks. I am up to the farm and don't have part numbers but I bought the orange "skate board" type wheel From Reid supply for the botton shaft, it was a good fit. For the top I bought a 22 MM "Browning" type hub and V belt pully from Burden's surplus center. for the top for a tipping roller. I have been gathering up pieces from old farm machinery, a box stapling machine for making 50# cardboard potatoe boxes into a dedicated thumb nail shrinker, old sharpening machine into a mini pulmax, parts from grain planters into a slip roller. Hydralics from an old tractor into a louver press.


If, or when, you get something going on that thumb nail shrinker I would love to have some more information.

I can't think of anything that would be more handy.

John

123pugsy 07-06-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by John long (Post 1691373)
As a matter of fact, the house accross the street is for sale :mwink:

John

I'd love to move into that house across from you John.

The SIL picked up the shaping quickly. :thumbup:

John long 07-06-2013 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 123pugsy (Post 1691442)
I'd love to move into that house across from you John.

The SIL picked up the shaping quickly. :thumbup:

He's pretty sharp Pugs. He is also very maticulous. I would like for him to spend a little time with the E-wheel. I think he would get a real kick out of it. I know he would love to sharpen his welding skill. I ran out of 75/25 so all we could do was tacj the body mount together.

John


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