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Old 04-13-2018, 07:34 PM
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Rubber is required so no stretch is achieved. Only forming.
As soon as two pieces of steel are used, a crow will be formed.
I used one the cheap 8 hand truck wheels for the top and radius lower.

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Rubber is required so no stretch is achieved. Only forming.
As soon as two pieces of steel are used, a crow will be formed.
I used one the cheap 8” hand truck wheels for the top and radius lower.
We are talking about two different things Pugs.

What I am referring to is two flat rollers with no pressure on the material. No crown will be produced. It also allows the panel to be curved front to back. The curve is formed by bring the panel down as it is drawn out of the rollers.

There must be pressure on the material for metal to be displaced forming a crown.

With a rubber band or go cart slick the curve will be formed to the side of the crown wheel. Of course you are correct about the curve being formed without a crown but Rip already has the flanges tipped so they are going to be in his way even if he has a rubber wheel..

Here is the panel with the curve added to it but before there was any crown added. All done on the E wheel without any rubber.

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Ah, just pulling down as you roll, got it.
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I just keep marveling at the metal shaping skills of all you! I really enjoy following, watching, reading and gaining knowledge. Thank you!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for that info guys, now I am thinking maybe stay with my 30 in roll. now and get or build (I like build ) an Ewheel instead of a larger roll. Frugalness comes in to mind here.

Pugs your question about having an Ewheel, No I don't have a Ewheel but I have always wanted to learn the technique. I like to make things and now your guys talk about how I could have made the job easier with an E wheel. I think I would be better off with an Ewheel and it takes up less space than a huge Slip roll.

The curve we are talking about in the inner shell is now 99% complete and turned out much better that I thought it would. I still need to trim the back and attach it to the rear brace but it is a simple task.

I still should roll a couple of beads in it for strength but I am thinking I could make the fit worse from panel distortion.. Any thoughts guys.

Making that last sharp curve in the panel was a real challenge! I finally accomplished it by forming the panel curve by hand over a 6 inch plastic sewer pipe (clean of course) and some off dolly beating! It was hard and at times frustrating but I did persevere. as I said I just need to trim off the excess and get the metal screwed to the framework along the back. If I can just get some warmer weather I will be ready to shoot the inside of everything with some SPI Black then rivet and weld the rest.

I am going to look into an Ewheel maybe another tool build in the future..
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Speaking of English Wheels, I wish I could see my way clear to buy these for mine.

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Speaking of English Wheels, I wish I could see my way clear to buy these for mine.

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Those wheels cost more than my whole machine.

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Those wheels cost more than my whole machine.

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They are 3x3" wheels as mine are. My E-wheel has a 44" throat and was built in 1992 mostly by a friend who was a machinest. We only made 4 wheels and one of them is flat. There are times when I need a particular crown wheel that I don't have.

Believe it or not, in 1992 neither of us had seen an English Wheel in person and did not know a whole lot about building one. This thing is way overbuilt. In theory, a 44" throat would wheel an 88 inch panel......Not going to happen.

At any rate, I need 3 inch wheels and do not want continuos radious wheels. The best machined wheels have flat spots in the middle which limit the tracking marks produced and allow much better control......at least IMHO

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Do you have more panels to make ? I was under the impression you were about done with replacement of metal.
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Do you have more panels to make ? I was under the impression you were about done with replacement of metal.
My Gawd Man.......who needs to need something to want it??

Get it?...ha.....
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My Gawd Man.......who needs to need something to want it??

Get it?...ha.....
Pretty sure I'm on that page, why do you think I have 7 vehicles ??
My curiosity is if he wants me to measure mine and see if there is one he "needs" for a panel soon. I could possibly send it down for a spell.
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Do you have more panels to make ? I was under the impression you were about done with replacement of metal.
See, There you go again. Using commn sense to screw up my birthday list. You are right though. The need for more wheels is probably past.

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See, There you go again. Using common sense to screw up my birthday list. You are right though. The need for more wheels is probably past.

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Put that funding towards a new top or material for the interior...
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Put that funding towards a new top or material for the interior...
Boy! There is another can of worms to open up. I have not looked at the top irons since I brought the car in 5 years ago. I mean not even looked at them.

I do know they folded back when I took them off so they are not rusted up tight. They may be a very involved restoration project all by themselves.

On a serious note. Once this car is on the road and can make some local events I have to paint the back half of the roadster. It is blistering badly. I can not sell it in this condition.

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The firewall is sanded and ready to paint except for some detail work and adding lower spring mounts for the hood. I custom made new body mounts for the car but did not include the spring mounts.



They were a part of the old mounts so I cut them off the parts car and adapted them to fit Precious. They are fitted, sandblasted and primed with weld through primer but I did not get them welded today as planned. Just ran put of day and energy.

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I came up to let the weld through primer dry for 30 minutes but ran out of enough spizeringtom to go back down and get the job done.

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