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Old 06-03-2011, 01:10 AM
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If you use only the main leaf and coil overs you will get terrible axle wrap with even V6 power.You would need to add some type of ladder bar or traction bar .So if you are going to put coil overs and ladder bars there is no need for the leaf spring and it would look better also.
That's true, it does produce less than ideal results and, at $2-300 for a cheap 4 link/ paralell 4 bar, $100 for some cheap firestone air bags, and some air line and schrader valves, a good safe suspension isn't very costly.. I was just thinking of ways to 'use up' The donor to it's fullest, and I know some Mini truckers run that setup, but they also pioneered the reverse 4 link, so there not the great example of correctly setup suspension

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Yea !!! And some people still put them on wrong... You still have to know how to set it up right... You would find that out down the road at around 70 mph if it isn't right...Let them front wheels go to shaken... So I wouldn't tell anyone it's just a bolt on.. And yes there is some math in it..
Well, that's true. There not just a bolt on, and the measurements will always be diffrent depending on the frame it goes on, and then the amount of triangulation in the hairpins/ wishbones...
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Find a truck with good frame and front end that closely fits the dimensions.

Cut the frame off to were have good steel to make good penetrating welds

TIG is the best with proper bevels on the steel 4340 filler rod,or stick with 7018

3/32 rod,Mig the top layer if you want.

A truck has the strength to handle it ,but make sure the bump steer is not a

problem with the frame you are welding to.

If connecting a frame to another frame stagger the cuts in a Z like formation

and use diamond shaped plates welded over the cuts to strengthen the area

weld.

A great car that has great suspension is Dodge Diplomat.

A van that has a V-8 in the junkyard is perfect for front end replacement.

They have extra heavy front ends and great brakes.

A good book to buy for this is (TEX SMITHS HOT ROD CHASSIS).

The book helped me out and teaches alot.
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You know being this is for a school project,, Speedway may just make you a sweet deal on a front end !!!! You just never know until you make the call..
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You know being this is for a school project,, Speedway may just make you a sweet deal on a front end !!!! You just never know until you make the call..

Like he said, or even try calling some of the local hot rod shops and see if they have anything laying around they would make you a deal on. Likely someone from the shop would even do a class for your guys/gals on some of the finer points...

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Just a little I have been looking all over the up-state NY area for a 65-81 F150 or even something older with a solid front axle, or even a Mustang II front suspension! This stuff is so hard to find, I have tried every backwoods place I can think of! I found a 78 F150 2WD but they wanted $550 for a complete junker of a car with no tires or anything a little too high in my opinion! 99% of all trucks in my area are 4WD because of farming
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Just a little I have been looking all over the up-state NY area for a 65-81 F150 or even something older with a solid front axle, or even a Mustang II front suspension! This stuff is so hard to find, I have tried every backwoods place I can think of! I found a 78 F150 2WD but they wanted $550 for a complete junker of a car with no tires or anything a little too high in my opinion! 99% of all trucks in my area are 4WD because of farming

$550..00 !!!!! Did you read post 19 and 20 ????

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$550..00 !!!!! Did you read post 19 and 20 ????
I agree it may be worth looking into I just want to exhaust all possibilities first. True a new front end would be awesome but I think for the students it would be a great learning experience to make one from scratch!
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I agree it may be worth looking into I just want to exhaust all possibilities first. True a new front end would be awesome but I think for the students it would be a great learning experience to make one from scratch!
True !!! But buying it out of a junkyard isn't making it from scratch...
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look for a van dodge ford chevy with v-8 in it.
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True !!! But buying it out of a junkyard isn't making it from scratch...
It is if he used only the I beams and calculated the measurements as Cboy has

NOT like I did and used the front clip.. It doesn't look right, and the engine crossmember houses the I beam mounts, so there is no way to even move it forward to correct the 'stance' for an early car.. I won't do another one like that, having 1 is bad enough. Altho the Ranger was what I could afford on my limited budget, it now rolls, and when I take the Ranger scrap, I may very well end up making money on it
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I agree it may be worth looking into I just want to exhaust all possibilities first. True a new front end would be awesome but I think for the students it would be a great learning experience to make one from scratch!
Not sure how far you are from Binghamton but it might be worth a trip to Garys U pull it.. Last I was there, they had a '41 Ford 4dr. rough shape but the front end was all there. possible you could make that axle work under somthing or salvage the spindles and brakes for a Speedway axle. Just don't go alone and bring lots of tools. Yard guys arn't always there, and you can't bring your own torches or jacks... If the '41 is not there, there is a mix of other old cars, and an old International pickup, '47 I think.
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It is if he used only the I beams and calculated the measurements as Cboy has

NOT like I did and used the front clip.. It doesn't look right, and the engine crossmember houses the I beam mounts, so there is no way to even move it forward to correct the 'stance' for an early car.. I won't do another one like that, having 1 is bad enough. Altho the Ranger was what I could afford on my limited budget, it now rolls, and when I take the Ranger scrap, I may very well end up making money on it

Well if you say so.... As the old saying goes... I guess my work's done here... Good luck..
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You can pull the entire front suspension out of a Fiero in one piece. Clean it up and use it as is, later down the line you can replace the control arms with tube CAs and it will look better.
You will get disk brakes and independent suspension.
If you don't like it you can remove the 8 or so bolts your going to use to install it and replace it.
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I got an offer for the full rolling frame from a 79 F150 for $300, that price seems a little high to me what do you all think?
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