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I like the forward rake,keeps it from looking like a phone booth.
Encouraging words Much obliged.

Heres me holding up my end, sort of...

Must have had my tablet sitting on something wrong or whatever but its a dud for tonight. So we have here the condensed version due to beckoning pillow and that.

Cat's eye view- (throwing wicked valve floating imaginary revs here, both tachs spinning like dueling tetherballs)



Now zoom way on out there and feel free to snoop but no bondo cracks of the wise variety please.



NOW... ye seekers of detail, looky-Lous, and fellow choppers can see today's pics sans 'splanations at this simple link and click to enlarge. No time left in day for saying what post is what, and what-not... this day. Will plug it in here later, theres still half a day to go with this gust of progress. Now if you gentlemen would kindly step this way, we can all dodge some paragraphs and get some rest. Thank you will come when tablet works.

A dozen or so pics from today:

Old car body repair pic dump: 18sep

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THAT looks so natural, Henry should have built them like it. If I didn't know it had been taller, I would think it was original. Great job !!!
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T'was the benefit of prior experience, lending a hand. Mike is only a month older than me, too.
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Theres not much to show for today. Main focus was on the left roof side and visor but also readjustments where I had not tabbed the door in position strongly enough. Fast as I can, I'll move toward opening the doors once the other side of the visor has been extended. We had the roof on it again and I have some very simple ideas brewing for supports. Thats all the explanation I have in me at the moment.

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Alright, I've had my nap, et, cruised the Pontiac, and feel ready to form sentences.

A short summary of the chop how is in order. Predetermined chop amount of 3" front with 2" rear known, I judged the height where I thought the taper of the posts at front and rear of the side (quarter + door) windows could be most easily dealt with and marked a dot in about the middle of each eyeballed chop zone.

Averaging those marks with a 4' straightedge, I drew a line. Then I moved the ruler back until it stuck out at rear, past the roof, and taped it to the body. Leveling and clamping a board against the rear window opening with one end resting on the ruler, I marked the same line on the rear window panel.

Using that line as center, and with the same ruler and board, I marked the wedge shaped chop zone along the side of the car. Making the big rounded rear corner to connect lines on side and rear was done by eyeball with 1/4" tape, then lines were drawn and tape removed.

Wanting to ensure symmetry, I taped inside the chop lines between quarter window and quarter to rear window panel seam and marked those ends on the tape. Theoretically, it would be a perfect wedge shape, but with so much potential for error I just peeled that tape, inverted it and transferred the first side's lines exactly to the second's. They did not have to be perfect but did have to match.

Reason for telling this is because it worked with precision that amazed me. Not like Giza amazement but I cut on those lines and am pleased to report that very, very little trimming was needed to mate the chopped lines with little or no gap.

Just before cutting the rear window panel, I decided to shuffle the chop zone up, making my top line the bottom. This was in the interest of staying away from corners of the window opening.

The cut over the quarter window has had no section removed. Trimming only. Maybe 1/8" of length is taken away, but that cut allows the step around the top front corner of the window to be realigned easily.

This method, which I arrived at by editing photos, resulted in minimal variation of the vertical in / out taper which exists around the windows. As a result, no alterations of window openings above the chop zone are required.

This concludes the blackboard portion of today's presentation. If we can reassemble out in the shop after a fart break, let's have some refreshments and resume by having a look at where this puts us on the actual car.
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Nooooo! Just lost an hour and a half of my life to browser error. Unbelievable! Angry, angry!!!!

I was ready to post the good part but had put one pic in the wrong place, switched tabs to get the correct link... and blank white screen on my post when I switched back. Tried everything, its gone. Thats my life. I do NOT need this crap. So no words with pics, no second try. Abort with disgust. This forum is the only one that has ever done this to me and frequency is increasing. Another same kind of forum is giving me trouble. Bout ready to say F em all. You guys don't need my words with those pics anyhow. At least I got to tell how to mark it. FTW
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Nooooo! Just lost an hour and a half of my life to browser error. Unbelievable! Angry, angry!!!!

I was ready to post the good part but had put one pic in the wrong place, switched tabs to get the correct link... and blank white screen on my post when I switched back. Tried everything, its gone. Thats my life. I do NOT need this crap. So no words with pics, no second try. Abort with disgust. This forum is the only one that has ever done this to me and frequency is increasing. Another same kind of forum is giving me trouble. Bout ready to say F em all. You guys don't need my words with those pics anyhow. At least I got to tell how to mark it. FTW
Ahw, Come on now. We are the reason you get by without a television.

Question. I would have thought by doing a slant chop your verticle jams and pillers would have leaned forward more. When I chopped the Merc! I had to cut at the radii of the windows to bring everything back straight.

Is this going to be an issue for you?

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Ahw, Come on now. We are the reason you get by without a television.

Question. I would have thought by doing a slant chop your verticle jams and pillers would have leaned forward more. When I chopped the Merc! I had to cut at the radii of the windows to bring everything back straight.

Is this going to be an issue for you?

John

Uh-oh.........I had to go back to scrutinize. Couldn't see a door edge with a dog leg in it. Maybe hold a straight edge along the door edges. There should be a zig at the back and a zag at the front.
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Ahw, Come on now. We are the reason you get by without a television.

Question. I would have thought by doing a slant chop your verticle jams and pillers would have leaned forward more. When I chopped the Merc! I had to cut at the radii of the windows to bring everything back straight.

Is this going to be an issue for you?

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Uh-oh.........I had to go back to scrutinize. Couldn't see a door edge with a dog leg in it. Maybe hold a straight edge along the door edges. There should be a zig at the back and a zag at the front.
This is why what happened is a pity. Everyone wants to know the info thats gone. My point is that I've done the work and made the effort to share, and theres nothing.

Pugsy of course I used a straightedge. John its only tacked. Either of you can feel free to rephrase your questions or post the pic in question, but I'm not getting what either of you are asking exactly. Just remember the vertical cut over the quarter window is there. Following the plan I developed on my PC the differences mentioned were minimal and smaller concerns as you've mentioned were pretty much negligible.

Trunk gaps on the Cat are awesome but our man missed two days this week with "arm out".
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Uh-oh.........I had to go back to scrutinize. Couldn't see a door edge with a dog leg in it. Maybe hold a straight edge along the door edges. There should be a zig at the back and a zag at the front.
We are not being criticle. What we are asking is, if you cut more out of the front of the door than the rear, (slant chop) why did it not **** the upper section of the door forward?

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We are not being criticle. What we are asking is, if you cut more out of the front of the door than the rear, (slant chop) why did it not **** the upper section of the door forward?

John
I don't feel criticized by either comment. Critique is good with decent manners.

To answer your specific question, John... the one inch difference over five or six feet resulted in little of what you said. Combined with the fact that I had previously determined with much drama that the right door has an excess of material on the front edge, from the body line up and widest at the top... I expect to trim that away. The difference that you expect to see from the wedge shape of the chop is not obvious because the amount of the chop is small. I expected to need a cut at the top rear of the right door to compensate, but in reality it does not appear to be needed.

I'll just start over and try to keep a straight face.
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Looks like you've checked it all. Should have known better, the way you check everything crosswise and back.
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Its just.. plenty close. Enough so that any bodyman could deal with the difference. The killer thing about pics of a Model A door is that it will never appear rectangular in a picture, but they are. They could be swapped from side to side. There was a post where I checked door window opening in relation to door edges and that checked out not good. So part of the equation is factory variances and its all eyeball. There was also a post where I showed a plan with a pie slice at top left of door window, but at the car it was easier than planned. The job is a mighty rough sketch still. Have faith.
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I have faith, no doubt about that. Can't wait to see it in paint.
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