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Can anyone explain why I do not have the left door on a parts stand?

Nope, but you could.
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Nope, but you could.
I figure it this way: If its on a stand, the middle of the skin becomes the highest point, so any heat applied would head that way. Also, gravity would have the opportunity to act against the panel's crown when heat is applied. Both of those things are undesireable. Add to that, that having the door on and shut with edges folded but not tacked assures that any shifting between panels as it hangs on the car is as it will be.

In this case, the double body line a quarter inch away from the weld is a MUCH more warp resistant choice of places to send the heat that has to be applied... than the middle of the new skin. Which now, after a due amount of slapper work, appears not to have fallen like a sponge cake! Here is a crown pic attempt, more to follow because I'm pretty happy with it.





Gotcha with that bonus pic, eh? Its gonna rain / freeze.
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So yeah I came in from lunch feeling good about the door. But then I opened a big door and saw this in the light.



So I say to myself yeah... well, y'know... of course the body line is off. But curses. First thing I wanted to know was how bad is the other side. After where are the other two hinge spacers? Aw I'll just make them. While I'm at it I'll burr all the slag balls out of the hinge tubes. And hinges. And wow, on the detent ball too dang.

But I did those things without one mood dent. T'was another fine day.

I'll have to come back to that. Weighing smash a new line or cut and move, subconsciously. On my qtr patches. Right side not as bad. We'll see.

Heres the right door hanging out waiting. (I gotta move the car now)



This is the most flaw-showingest shot I could come up with-



These are pretty true too. I've seen the old crowned skins caved in by decent body guys doing patchwork and its tough to recover from, or it can be. So this is how I did. Maybe had I not added the skin brace the result would be different.





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That sucker is sweeeeet. You do some awesome work.

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Agreed.


It really appears the MIG is warping panels less than a TIG.
Funny thing is how everyone praises TIG as being better....


I take it that was tack by tack and not allowing it to get too hot?
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Can't blame it on anyone else this time.. so I'll take that and thank you sir.

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It really appears the MIG is warping panels less than a TIG.
Funny thing is how everyone praises TIG as being better....


I take it that was tack by tack and not allowing it to get too hot?
I can't enter the arena of TIG discussion. But yes this was all dots, and only the first two rows of dots were ground before completing the weld. No planishing was done due to lack of access. Another thing... I didn't think it was going to go as well because at the start I had forgotten to adjust welder knobs and was on more like a 16 ga setting. 4 heat, 50 wire. That was touchy then I realized it and put it back at 3/45. By the guidelines on the card on the welder, 2/31 is for 18ga. The backside of the weld isn't very pretty but the penetration is there. I personally think that if we are ever to see my best thin stuff welding, about a 135 or 175 series welder loaded with .023 or .024 wire has to come into play. The Miller 212 is amazingly versatile but at times it does seem like doing carbine work with a mortar.

As far as MIG vs TIG vs O/A... all I can muster is my usual sentiment which comes from watching Westerns too much. Beware the man with only one gun, he probably knows how to use it.

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Any input on how to fix the patch contour misalignment on the quarter? I figure beating is the answer because one more weld line is too many. Its already a kinda ugly patch though...
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Any input on how to fix the patch contour misalignment on the quarter? I figure beating is the answer because one more weld line is too many. Its already a kinda ugly patch though...

I'd like to say add balls of weld at the end so that would make a dam for the bondo and sculpt away, however, this build doesn't look like that kind of project. Cut a piece off, make a matching piece and weld in is all I got.
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I'd like to say add balls of weld at the end so that would make a dam for the bondo and sculpt away, however, this build doesn't look like that kind of project. Cut a piece off, make a matching piece and weld in is all I got.
Aw yeah, naw its juuust a little more than I'd like to see made up with mud. I strive to make the next tech's job easier and it pays. Watch and see, I'll address it sooner or later.

None of the young'uns showed today or I would have set the body over on a dolly to evaluate the firewall situation already. Started to toss a welding blanket over the VW and go at the right door skin. But I landed at the bottom of the left side of the cowl, going where it led me. Fine tuned the left door gap starting with scooting the cowl back to the tight gap position. I had some breathing room on purpose and now I'll whittle that down but I gotta know how the cowl patch fits into the picture. Thinking some 2" tubing right there, as indicated by the short scrap in place in the bottom pic.



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The prefab cowl patch seems a little long and the top contour did not follow the cowl at all. This pic doesn't show it wiith all the screws in place but it fits fine except for that front. We were planning to maybe do some revision there anyway, shortening the cowl under the vertical molding by a half inch or so (just the rusty strip where the bead is). To make up the body length gained by scooting quarters to flush doors. So no worries there but that slot needs to line up with the inner layer in the end. Thas where the molding stud goes. Follow all that? No worry there either, you'll see.



I still have to tie this piece of tubing into the A pillar some more but you get the idea. Thats thick walled 1x2". Door still shuts with a pinky press and lines up. Shouldn't squirm around any more.

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Heres that with the rear gusset added. I am about to cover all that up with the patch. I have also been fussing over the door gap, getting edges closer to flush and everything within filler range. I must say it has me a little stoked. Made some soft blocks to simulate a weatherstrip and AH... shuts like a bank vault. Happy bodyman means happy boss and appreciation was felt by me (its payday). Double AH. Thats better.

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The cowl patch is being a challenge. I've had to grind and bump after every pass or two of tacks, the metal is just about new car thin here due to the deep stamping. With the S curve along the weld its really ripe for warpage and burn through. So I am also tacking away at nearby areas. The rocker will have an end piece added with a tight fit-



Still takes a couple washers under the striker and the current plan calls for making a one piece vertical cover / overlaid skin for the interior of the A pillar. That would lay flush with the existing cowl skin edge and just leave a small groove like at the B pillar side. Maybe too much imagination required there but you'll see. I know Mike and I are both hustling to make the dreams come true kicking out all the custom pieces. In a timely fashion.

For the penetration fiends... here. The door skin backside looks five times better than this.



Here it is now. I know I'll need to add material to the front edge of the door about halfway up on the lower section, up to the body line. I figured adding rod would turn out better than "moving" the whole edge of the door skin but I did kind of blend it in up at the top left corner of the skin. I can also see I'll need to keep a' knocking on the back corner of the butt joint with the tip of my junk slapper to shrink up the door gap at the weld. Takes a lot of patience but the end crowns the work.

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Today's short work day was cut even shorter.



In progress and a dark spot-



Well lit and waiting-

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