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Front end drop

I have a 1950 Willy's Sedan Delivery that is being worked on. The guy put a 4 link system in it. I have noticed that the front is up a huge amount from before. 3/4 of the way 5". He said that there is not enough weight in it yet. The plain block is in it. My question is how much more will the front end come down approximately with the rest of the motor and tranny. I have aluminum heads and intake.

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I have a 1950 Willy's Sedan Delivery that is being worked on.
O.K. so far.

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The guy put a 4 link system in it.
A 4-link usually means a rear suspension system. Is this what you're talking about?

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I have noticed that the front is up a huge amount from before.
Yeah, they'll do that when all the motor, trans, cooling systems and other systems are removed from the car.

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3/4 of the way 5".
This is unintelligible gibberish. Please explain what you're trying to say in English.

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He said that there is not enough weight in it yet. The plain block is in it.
He's right.

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My question is how much more will the front end come down approximately with the rest of the motor and tranny. I have aluminum heads and intake.
It depends on the rate of the front springs. They come in different rates or strengths, 200 lbs per inch, 300 lbs per inch, 400 lbs per inch, and so forth. There are at least 16 different spring rates just for a Mustang II front end system. [/QUOTE]
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What I am trying to say is that when I gave my vehicle to him. It was level with the block in it. Now the front end is way up. I measured from the rear to the same lines on the door. 5" difference from the floor in shop. I've pulled and replaced motors years ago but can't remember how high the front end changed.
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What block is it?
The rear suspension being a 4 link should be adjustable, if not get it made adjustable during the build.
Is the guy an expert and being paid?
If so, ask him, surely he takes some responsibility for what is going on if you are not happy or convinced of the outcome.
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350 block. I don't know if it's adjustable. I will have to look tomorrow. It sounds like he wants me square up with him this week?
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What front suspension are you running or intend to run?
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cross spring or parallel.

I had a single cross spring in mine and with a 364 nail head the front came down about 4 inches more than stock. wagons had either suspension systems. mine had the 5 by 4.5 ford pattern and I put ford station wagon drum front brake parts on it. discs should be easy using the willys hubs.
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350 block. I don't know if it's adjustable. I will have to look tomorrow. It sounds like he wants me square up with him this week?
A 4 link in the rear shouldn't change the front height at the front tires at all. But, of course, if the motor is made lighter with aluminum heads, intake, water pump, steel headers, etc. the front will go up...

If the rear is higher, then the angle of the vehicle can change... front bumper go lower... as fiftyv8 mentioned, rear height may be adjustable...

I like fronts slightly lower than back to keep air from building up underneath at high speeds... giving squirrelly handling...
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Put a set of adjustable coil overs on the front with dropped spindles..then you can set your ride height just about anywhere you want it... If you get it too low, all you have to do is adjust it back up a bit. Its a little more expensive than just springs but the ride is fantastic and being adjustable is worth it to me. I like my cars to ride super low and that is the best way to have ride quality and stance.
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The ? Is impossible to answer with the info given . You're saying he wants his payment ? Did he do the work as specified ? Will he stand behind his work ? A SBC bare block only weighs 160 lbs. , is the transmission in yet. ? What type spring & rate? Lotta ? Here ....
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front suspension ? ?

some of the willys wagons had a single crosd spring that was the lower link and upper Arm suspension and the 5 X 4.5 wheel bolt pattern. Others had the 2 spring parallel leaf fronts some used the ford pickup bolt pattern. Which one do you have.
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Methoud for finding height before installing a diffrent engine.

Scale the items before you tear them apart in there "wet" form.

Now add weight to the following areas inside containers. Use boards to act as crossmembers

I use a heavy tote the size of the motor L,W,H for the motor
2 5 gallon buckets for the transmission
1 5 gallon bucket for the transfer case slightly offset
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Around 5 gallons of water for radiatior

You use the weights as mockup allowing you to make adjustments to the suspension while items are off being rebuilt.

It is not perfect. But it will give you very good idea what the suspension will look like.

Also get some cardboard and make a front and sideways cutout before sending items out and you can make a rough 3 dimensional shape for clearencing areas.
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What I am trying to say is that when I gave my vehicle to him. It was level with the block in it. Now the front end is way up. I measured from the rear to the same lines on the door. 5" difference from the floor in shop. I've pulled and replaced motors years ago but can't remember how high the front end changed.
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Just for the sake of clarifying the situation...

Are you saying that nothing, as far as weight, has changed since you gave it to him, other than the work that he did?

When you say that "it was level" when you gave it to him... and now you're saying that "the front is higher"... is the front higher now, or is the rear lower now?
Did you ever measure the height of the front and rear before he did the work?

IMO, you need to get the front end where you want it, and then the rearend should be setup to compliment the front height (like someone mentioned a slight "rake").

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Hopefully it is just the camera angle, but in the photo, the front wheel appears to be too far back in the opening? If so, that would concern me a lot more than the height.
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