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Good / Strong Speed 5 Trans To Replace My Muncie M22?

Hey all, I have an M22 trans with the lazy 2.20 first gear plus a 4.10 12 bolt rear. Anyone know of a good strong 5 speed trans that i can get to replace the muncie? The motor is a 496 BB stroker 575hp.

I was looking at changing the rear gears first before even thinking about swapping out the trans being that it was recently rebuilt however there's not a whole lot that can be done with that 2.20 first gear, I was going to try a set of 4.30 rear gears however those would only be 0.44 steeper than the 4.10's and 4.56 is a bit too steep as the car is mainly a street driver.

I know that there are aftermarket muncies with a few different ratios to choose from that are stronger than the OEM versions however i would like to just go with a 5 speed trans that has a steeper first gear and just leave the 4.10 rear gears as they are but don't know which 5 speeds are strong enough? Any recommendations?
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Hey all, Please disregard this thread as i no longer need any help.

I had some wanted ads up and just got a great deal on a Richmond 5 speed OD trans that was reworked by Liberty Gears. It may not be the best 5 speed available however for the price i got it for i simply could not pass it up.
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Hey all, Please disregard this thread as i no longer need any help.

I had some wanted ads up and just got a great deal on a Richmond 5 speed OD trans that was reworked by Liberty Gears. It may not be the best 5 speed available however for the price i got it for i simply could not pass it up.
well.. don't let that M22 slip out of your hands.. real ones are too hard to come by..

and there is a way to bolt a gear vendors overdrive right to the back of the M22..

i guess we should all yell "SCORE" together..
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Yeah i was looking at those gear vendors OD units on ebay but couldn't find the one i needed plus i wasn't sure about wanting to shorten my drive shaft anyway. I got the Richmond for less than what some are asking for the gear vendors. My M22 still has the original G.M. gears in it. I wouldn't ever waste my money on those Chinese gears. I would get the Italian gears if i ever had to replace them.

I noticed when i posted earlier some words are underlined which i didn't do. I couldn't see it until i was reading the thread while i was signed out? I found out it's the stupid viglink crap below causing it which i opted out but read that every time you clear your browser you'll have to opt out again each time.

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Nicely bought. And thanks for the thumbs up on the Italian stuff; we really appreciate it. Kick some Ford butt
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Here is about the strongest (if you can believe the advertising ) manual + OD transmission available.

Muscle Car 5 Transmission - Driveline
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That's a definite thumbs up for the Italian gears! They are without a doubt thee only aftermarket Muncie gears that i myself would spend any money on.
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Thanks, I was looking at those before and heard that they're good transmissions however the only thing i didn't care for was that they have the fixed style shifter as i prefer to use a V Gate. I was also looking at GeForce, Rankin, Tex transmissions along with a few others but only went with the Richmond because i got it for a great deal. I'm going to check out the Richmond inside before using it and rebuild it if it needs it and if it ever fails me i will definitely consider that McLeod.

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I had a beefed up Tremec TKO 5 Speed in my 67 Ekly with a ZZ572 w/ 3.73 Gears
CHIT LOAD of power and never had a single issue with it. Just sold it, should be landing in Germany about now



With a very easily made metal bracket you can mount what ever Stick you want on it. I was running a Vintage Hurst 8” Super Shifter Stick on mine



Cant tell you what the builder used inside but it was bullet proof on a VERY STRONG drive it like you stole it ZZ572 Elky. LOL



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The MC5 is, at its core, a beefed up T5. Not a bad trans, but its no TKO, DNE4+1/Richmond OD or Legend 5spd in terms of strength.

If I had to pick a 5spd, I'd lean towards the Legend for some things, and the TKO600 (with .80 OD) for others.
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Very nice 67 you had there, Shame you had to part ways with it. I'm currently working on my 68 SS Elky. I already picked up a Richmond 5 speed that was reworked by Liberty Gears. I was previously looking at the TKO 600 as i had read some good things about them being durable but also read something about them having shifting problems?

The internal shifter design wasn't an option for me though as i really wanted something that i could use my old V Gate shifter on. I have been using the V Gates since 1989 on the street & strip and just couldn't ever see myself driving without one!
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That should be a sick set up
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Went from a Muncie (M20) to a Richmond 5-spd in the El Camino at left way back in '97 or so and couldn't have been happier. No problems except it always popped out of reverse after fifty feet or so, weird but not a killer. I did change first-gear ratios once, case easily splits in half and everything is right there. I'm sure you know by now they are not overdrives, you're supposed to run a tall rear then the trans has a lower first to make up for it. Transmissions of any type are strongest and most efficient while running in 1:1 so if you do a lot of driving in fifth, that makes plenty of sense to me. I do not share your love for v-gate shifters (smile) being as I'm more of a go-around-corners type but I know they can be fun around town.
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Richmond now does make an OD version of their clamshell 5 speed.
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The Richmond i bought has a .77 OD 5th gear. It's a super street trans that's stated to be able to handle 600 ft/lbs of torque. With the 2.89 1st gear plus the 4.10 rear gears i'm going to have a 11.849 1st which will be a bit steep so i'm going to have to get a set of 3.73 gears which is all the further i can go with the #4 carrier but should be fine at 10.779 with the 3.73's. There's also a Richmond 5 speed street trans and a Richmond 5 speed road race trans, Those 2 models have a 1:1 5th gear.

It was most likely worn out synchro keys / synchro springs, hub, slider etc that was causing your Richmond trans to pop out of reverse.

Everyone has their own personal preference of what shifter they prefer so to each their own, I on the other hand would not trade in my V Gate for any other shifter.

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