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Old 10-27-2019, 01:07 AM
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I have made some reportable progress although the time was greater than it may look, to have worked out and produced what I have in pic's.

I have a plate that attaches to the hinge arm and a sheet metal boxing that will form the contact point to the hinge once welded to the inner hood sheet metal.

Good, bad or indifferent this is now the direction I am heading in and I hope it will be the correct choice.
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My 32 Plymouth has a custom one piece hood. Right now it lifts off only. I would like to hinge the hood to make showing easier. It takes two people to lift the hood off now. Not very practical. Pictures attached.

Any suggestions how to hinge this hood??

Thanks :-)
I am doing a Model A job and have not reached the point of ready to install it, but boss got us this fancy high dollar 3-way opening hood latch kit-

https://www.haganauto.com/product_p/hdh2832.htm

It may provide some food for thought on your car, if you care to study the design.
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I am doing a Model A job and have not reached the point of ready to install it, but boss got us this fancy high dollar 3-way opening hood latch kit-

https://www.haganauto.com/product_p/hdh2832.htm

It may provide some food for thought on your car, if you care to study the design.

The only thing I see on his car is the height of the sides. Just wondering if they just might not clear upon opening/closing.
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The only thing I see on his car is the height of the sides. Just wondering if they just might not clear upon opening/closing.
Be real easy to find out with a helping hand. I'm thinking thats less of a concern if opening it from one side. But I have not even approached that yet on my project so all I can do is bring awareness of a concept to the table. Car looks to be of a similar construction so perhaps the same theory could be applied.
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Be real easy to find out with a helping hand. I'm thinking thats less of a concern if opening it from one side. But I have not even approached that yet on my project so all I can do is bring awareness of a concept to the table. Car looks to be of a similar construction so perhaps the same theory could be applied.

Those are terrific hinges. I checked all the install videos already.




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idrivejunk, your food for thought is very appropriate and has been on my mind for a while now.
It is probably the last remaining question mark I have with this project.

Should things go real bad in that regard, I have another hinge design that I could fall back on (more complex & not so pretty), but for now I am running with my gut feelings.

Still the money I've spend to date, is like nothing compared to the prices of the hinges that can be purchased and I also have a hood made in my out goings as well.
I admit to spending many hours of my own time in place of spending the cash, but I have learned a lot and mostly it has been fun and rewarding getting to where I am now.

Worst case scenario, I don't end up with a hood which is where I was when I started out.
I only wish I had factored a hood into my build much earlier...
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Those are terrific hinges. I checked all the install videos already.




I get what you are saying. On a Model A, the hood top stops at a bead which is the body line. The linked setup goes below the hood top and is hidden by the hood side. To use the setup, the hood would need a 90 bend down each side at a height that would allow operation, and the rest of the height of the side of the hood could be represented by a simple fabbed pair of cover panels. Those would cover the hood latch rails when closed. Hinging the hood down the center is the only other solution I can imagine at this time.

That hood is going to have a seam somewhere if it is going to be hinged. That would seem to be a safe statement. But, the 30s cars are not like other eras... the hoods can give a little, or flex. It is possible that if used carefully, pulling outward on the hood side before raising it may be all thats needed. No one can know without trying that.
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Still battling away with other hinge pocket cut in and getting ready to tack weld the 3 sections into position which make up the hood inner.
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Well, what an adventure, it has been a slow struggle.
No pic's to post this time, but I can tell you I am now in 2 minds whether to keep at it or walk away.
I attached the inner panel the hinge pockets and then to the hinges and tried lifting it.
Well, it just touches my firewall lip at the rear and wants to take paint off.

Disappointing to say the least.
I know I am real close, so I added a washer spacer between the hinge and the pocket and it kinder clears but not what I was hoping for.

I have now removed the hood from the hinges and cut the pockets out in the hope that I can do some tweaking and get the clearance I need.
Boy, it is close but no cigar just yet...

I am going to persist for now and give it my best shot since it seems so near, but otherwise I am at somewhat of a loss to know what else to do.
Obviously my rejig of the hinges was a get success and I almost hit the target with the mods.

More to follow when I cool down...
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Well, what an adventure, it has been a slow struggle.
No pic's to post this time, but I can tell you I am now in 2 minds whether to keep at it or walk away.
I attached the inner panel the hinge pockets and then to the hinges and tried lifting it.
Well, it just touches my firewall lip at the rear and wants to take paint off.

Disappointing to say the least.
I know I am real close, so I added a washer spacer between the hinge and the pocket and it kinder clears but not what I was hoping for.

I have now removed the hood from the hinges and cut the pockets out in the hope that I can do some tweaking and get the clearance I need.
Boy, it is close but no cigar just yet...

I am going to persist for now and give it my best shot since it seems so near, but otherwise I am at somewhat of a loss to know what else to do.
Obviously my rejig of the hinges was a get success and I almost hit the target with the mods.

More to follow when I cool down...
Sounds to me like you are close enough that your mind may pop out a solution at any time. Let it stew for a spell and you'll think of something to try. Allow me to strike the flint in your direction a couple more times and see if any sparks fly.

Since I last visited this conversation, I have had some additional thoughts. One about the other guy's Plymouth but another which, crazy as it may sound, might be a seed. Relies again on a tad of hood flexibility. I will drop what I have now...

What if, at the place it rubs the firewall upon opening, there was a little, perhaps spring loaded, plastic roller wheel at the contact point? Could it ramp the hood over that spot without hurting it? Could roller theory be applied at the front corners of the Plymouth with the long hood sides? My vision has the roller(s) completely hidden with panels shut.

Variant of idea seed: Use shaped nylon blocks attached to both panels as sliding ramps instead of rollers.

Bonus thought about corners:

Could there be downward, angled spikes at hood corners that engage cones in the body... that would rest with panels closed normally but as soon as the hinge begins to open, the spike and cone rigs would flex the hood corners out just enough to clear and for just enough of the travel?

Any ponder fodder in that? Can sketch or further develop or debunk the theories.
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Would you believe I left something out?

You know what suicide locks are. Imagine some with roller tips. (Heck, weld a roller lifter to the end of the rod and sink it into tubing in the body) So you pull your latch, hood pops ajar. Now you extend the rollers with the suicide lock mechanism, lock, and open hood. To close, set it down on the rollers, retract rollers, push down to latch.

Just another germ.
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Like if there was a roller in the firewall jamb here. Or a plastic nub with a plastic rub strip inside the hood. The rollers or blocks would not have to be embedded in the jamb necessarily.

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idrivejunk, I think you are on to something with your comments.
I am gpoing to take a closer look at what you suggest when I get the courage to face it again.

I have been drawn to a similar conclusion with intent of lifting the hinge arms out of the rest position slightly, so the forward movement commences immediately.
Right now, there is a kind of dead spot it seems just for a couple of millimetres of initial movement where the hinge seems to be in limbo so to speak as it commences its path of movement and rides too low to clear the firewall lip edge.

I had to walk away and I am a pretty patient individual, but I needed to avoid being drawn in by the problem and grasping at straws which could have lead me to do some dumb stuff.
So I am now in a cooling off period just mulling over my next steps and listening to others view points.
I am just so close, but finding the tweak that will get me over the line is killing me right now...

Thanks for your continued interest.
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Hinges can really do your head in once you really get into them.
I will persist for now, but do have a plan B, which is to use another hinge design (drawings) which I purchased from a guy in Canada for little money.
Only problem IMHO is that it does not look pretty as it has super lift and sticks up oddly when open.
Looks kinder fragile, like a scissor lift effect or could from the look of it end up with the problem at the front rather than the rear......
Plan C is to scrap the hinge and just tie down the hood and make it hand removeable which really goes against the grain in my book...
I am not all that competitive, but I hate being beaten when I am so close to the finish line.
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Well men, I think I am all tweaked out.
My latest hinge pocket tweaking has gone some way to improving the lift motion.
It is more obvious now that the peak of the hood arc at the cowl end is the issue.
As the hood rotates up the arc is moving from the horizonal more into the vertical plane and hence needs space towards the windshield end.

It is so damn close now that if I put a nylon washer in its travel path is rides on the washer and then clears.
The washer is protecting paint scratching for now.
idrivejunk from this Forum had earlier suggested a small nylon wheel or skid wedge for that edge of the hood.
It did not make much sense to me then, but now it does.

I need more thinking time as this is turning into brain surgery...
I really don't have anything in the actual hinge or hood left to tweak now.
I think if the straight seal lip in the cowl/firewall sheet metal had a curve or bow in it at about the center line of the hood instead of being straight, it probably would saved my bacon and cleared.

Pre-load is definitely a part solution that I at this late stage will not be able to take advantage of.
It sure is something to consider for others following in my foot steps.

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