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Old 11-23-2006, 10:49 PM
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I got stuck with a HUGE quantity of PPG metal flake, what to do with it?

I have had this 5 gallon box of sealed PPG Colibri Blue-Green metal flake for a few months now. (It looks silver-blue to look at it)
I havent opened it yet because it turned out to be something other than what it was supposed to be. Another typical Ebay deal gone wrong.

The local custom painter was excited about it, but not enough to buy the whole thing. (Why bother when he knows I will only use about 10 ounces of the stuff if I ever use it at all. )

This stuff was intended to be added to the base coat.

I did a lot of calling around when I got it to find where it was made and what hazards it may have.

This stuff is surplus from one of many detroit area assembly plants.

It's storage has been constant and dry so I suspect that the whole box is good.

I paint mostly agg related equipment.

Nothing real beautiful or show related.

Mostly single stage enamal paints.

How can I use this?

How can I resale this?

Thank you for your advice.

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Old 11-24-2006, 06:09 AM
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I have had this 5 gallon box of sealed PPG Colibri Blue-Green metal flake for a few months now. (It looks silver-blue to look at

This stuff is surplus from one of many detroit area assembly plants

How can I resale this?

Thank you for your advice.
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Surplus--- It don't work this way.

Sounds to me like you got some of the stolen property that PPG was or still is having problems with.

I give them credit as they have been ruthless in their pursuit of the culprits and the people that have purchased the stuff.
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Old 11-24-2006, 06:54 AM
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Old 11-25-2006, 10:11 AM
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I dont think so.

If so PPG failed to mention it when I called them.

It took a while to figure out exactly what I have.

I called PPG over a period of about a week.

During this time it was NEVER sugested that I have stolen property.

I called to root manufacturer in Georgia to get the MSDS info.

(That is where the bulk of usable information came from.)

I have worked in automotive manufacturing before and know first hand that there are surplus materials.

Usually surplus materials make it as far as employees vehicles or hazmat disposal.

This was a case of someone getting ahold of surplus material and selling it on ebay without knowing what it is.

I have a lot more of this stuff than I will ever need.

I thought I was purchasing 5 gallons of base coat PPG paint.

I recieved the same quantity in pearl flake.
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Old 11-25-2006, 05:10 PM
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Well that good but nothing jives.
First you say its from an Auto Plant and if thats the case its for waterborne Paint.
And auto OEMS do not buy this stuff in 5's.
If you ask about a Pearl why would customer service suggest it was hot?

Uderstand I don't really care one way or another but if you don't know the histroy of this package being an unnormal package and me knowing what has been going on last three years, I would not be making it public even if it would work and it won't with what you said.
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Old 11-27-2006, 12:03 AM
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No Barry,
You did not read the post very thoroughly.

I said it was from eBay.

The part about it being surplus from Detroit was a combination of the seller and the PPG people.
I faxed the information on the box to PPG.
PPG let me know it was automotive. (I already knew that)
PPG gave me the supplier information.
I contacted the supplier, who did seem legitimately concerned that this product was being sold on eBay by someone.

This product is a component in paint manufacturing.

I am not up on the newest ways that coatings are applied these days, but I am aware of the way automotive industry and parts suppliers did it up until the late 1990's to current in my area.

The local plant that makes Chrysler parts receives the components in large quantities and mixes them on site.

I couldn't say why.

I asked a QC guru several years ago because these bulk components take up a lot of space and are a fire hazard.

I was told by the guru it was to prevent the flake from becoming sludge and to make the material last longer.

I don't know how true that is as far as your experience goes.

Almost all of the paint process is automated.

There are a couple of QC gurus and about six maintenance techs that run the area.

When the area is shut down they clean it with some extremely carcinogenic stuff.

I worked part time for that plants security division for a few years.


I have read many of your posts Barry, most of the time you seem to be on target.

I wouldn't assume something is stolen because it is wrong alone or from EBay.

I wouldn't "hide" anything I bought, especially if there is even the slightest suspicion that it has been stolen.

I am not one for receiving stolen property and honestly, the way I have gone about finding this information should be as much a confirmation that it is not stolen.

I work hard for my money and suspect that everyone else does the same, especially corporations and other producers of these products.

I realize that there are a bunch of lowlife hippies out there that think they are sticking it to the man when they take things that don't belong to them from business owners.

In a sense they are right.

They are sticking it to the working man.

That would be everyone working in this industry as a hobby or professionally.

I shouldn't have to worry about being sold stolen paint products, and I wasn't even concerned until now. I guess that must have been why PPG wanted a fax of the label but couldn't tell me too much about the item except that they no longer stock it and it is only in the system, but not in supply.

Likewise, PPG and other producers shouldn't have to worry about thieves in their supply chain.

I hate that this was become so much of a problem that I cant ask a serious question in regards to what to do with it without someone throwing out a "must be stolen property" suggestion, and getting stuck on that instead of something more constructive.


In closing, while I can not prove beyond a shadow of your doubt that this is not stolen; I have made no effort to hide this stuff and have contacting everyone I can from the previous shipping information to the additional leads provided by PPG. I have done my job and much more research that I should have ever had to. My conscience is clear and I have nothing to hide. If this did turn out to be stolen I would have gone through eBay/pay-pal and tried to get a refund and would have returned the product to whomever the owner is. I didnt bother in the first place because proving wrong doing when you have received a shipped item that seems right (even if it isn't right) EBay will do nothing. If the item is stolen, not shipped, or a provable fraud; I will be refunded.
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Old 11-27-2006, 01:42 AM
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Can you make some snow globes?
It's getting close to christmas.

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Perhaps the pail is clean but be that as it may I'm sure you had no idea of its history.
By the way not trying to be a jerk but this theft deal was an organized ring, to the degree I could order a truckload by item number at a cost of 5-15 cents on the dollar so it was not a deal of some security guy walked out the door with a 5 gallon pail.

I don't know how you can sell this other then to repackage in small amounts or cut a deal to someone like a Matrix in Michigan that makes some base, not sure how they would react but I would guess, no interest at all.
This is kinda like finding a cow on the side of a road and trying to sell it to a restaurant.

First you need to know what it is Organic or Inorganic so you know what market it can be used.
I don't know if its dry or in solution but my cost buying direct on a five gallon like this depending what it is will range from $600-$1200.

It will be very hard to sell any of it.
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This is kinda like finding a cow on the side of a road and trying to sell it to a restaurant.
LOLOLOLOL, you make me Raff. And you too Mikey, Get Smiley out of that globe before he suficates.

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Old 11-27-2006, 10:01 AM
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LOLOLOLOL, you make me Raff. And you too Mikey, Get Smiley out of that globe before he suficates.

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That's not smiley, that's his little brother "bonzai smiley",

You know, more and more folks are painting interior rooms in their houses with metalflake accents. I painted our den with a textured paint that I added a bag of metalflake to. The stuff came as a kit, with some snooty designer name, but why couldn't ret_marine check with some house painting contractors and see if they need something like that?

I know I'd want to check and see if the msds sheet indicated whether or not it could be used in a residential application.

I don't think I'd give it to my daughter to sparkle her face with though.
They do that you know.

Smiley out and breathing


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Thanks for the sugestions and humor.

I will experiment a little now and then when I get the time.

Probably this comming spring.

I dont think I would like to manufacture snow globes, even if "Devil Dog" snowglobes.

The one about interior paint and little girls face glitter reminds me of some of those 1970's saterday night live skits with Bulushi and Akroid.

"Bag O' Broken Glass"
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I don't mean to sound like a nagging wife but don't experiment as you will not figure nothing out short term.

ALL you need to know is if it is organic or inorganic and then I can send you in right direction.
A call to company that made it can tell you or if you have a part number and company that made it I might have catalog here to look up but if the company is just inorganic, I would not even know them.
The PPG number is useless, unless they can tell you from that number what system it is made for and that is risky coming from customer service.
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My friend had a rottweiler that ate aluminum cans ....when the moon was right his backyard got all sparkley..


I GOT IT!!!

Ok marine, here's what you do.. put that glitter in bottles of about 4 fluid oz or so. You can get 160 4 oz bottles from that 5 gallon bucket. Package them up in a box with a spray can of craft adhesive.
Price them at about 35.00 each
Advertise them on ebay and craigslist as "Glitterman kit for Burning Man festival"

Here's our little glitter angel now, to show you how beautiful glitter is awwwww.



Can you say, excessively happy on the Playa?
OK,
You will do several things.
1)You will get rid of all that surplus metalflake

2) You will CLEAN UP! I don't know what you paid, but at 25.00 net per glitterman kit, (subtracting the bottle, box and glue), X 160, you will pull in about 4 G! Yes, 4000.00$ POOTAH! I KNOW you didn't pay 4000.00 on ebay for that stuff.

btw, they sell that stuff for 6 bucks for 1 oz. (3 grams) on online stores, so your price is competitive.

3) You will get back at all those freeloading hippies that have put the USA in the poor military position it is currently experiencing.
Being covered in all that aluminum for 7 days in the sun will get them Alzheimers disease so fast they'll forget every Grateful Dead concert they ever went to.

Hope this helps,
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