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Will do .In that quote that I got from him for $400,that was suppose to be me taking the truck to him with the bondo,primer,paint,and clear,and leave it until he calls me and tells me it's finished.Like I said though,he said that he didn't mind me hanging around if I wanted too.I think that I'll do that just to see what's going on and help out all that I can.

What is the best product that you reccomend for dent filler?

Nightrain

I don't know if this will mix in with my last post or not,but if it does,bare with me.These are the product sheets on my 2 current PPG choices.

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PPG DZL Primer Surfacer -

1 Form P-127 (8/91)
DZL Primer Surfacers Form P-127 (8/91)
DZL

IDENTITY CODE
Light Gray Primer Surfacer DZL 32
Dark Gray Primer Surfacer DZL 34
Red Primer Surfacer DZL 72

BACKGROUND
PPG's DZL Primer Surfacers are fast drying, easy sanding products specially designed
to provide fast build with a minimum amount of coats, while having excellent adhesion
and color hold out properties. DZL Primer Surfacers can be used over properly
prepared painted surfaces and/or properly treated and primed bare steel, aluminum,
and fiberglass. DZL's are designed to be used under a variety of PPG Automotive
sealers & topcoats.

DIRECTIONS FOR USE
Preparation:
. Prepare surface by cleaning thoroughly with DX 330 ACRYLI-CLEAN® Wax and
Grease Remover or DX 380 Low VOC Cleaner. Condition the bare metal with
the appropriate PPG metal cleaning and conditioning system.
Note: For optimum adhesion and corrosion protection apply 1 to 2 full
wet coats of DP Epoxy Primer.
Mixing:
. Thin DZL Primer Surfacer 150% by volume with DTL 16 or better lacquer thinner
(1:1½).
. Select the appropriate DTL Lacquer Thinner in the temperature range best
suited for shop conditions. Example:

DZL DTL Thinner
1 part 1½ parts
or to or
1 quart 1½ quarts
2 Form P-127 (8/91)
Application and Dry Times:
. Set air pressure to 30 - 35 lbs at the gun.
. Apply 2 to 3 full wet coats allowing 10 minutes dry time between each coat.
. Allow the final coat of DZL to dry 30 minutes before sanding.
. Dry film build per coat is 1.3 mils.
. Follow the sanding recommendations for desired topcoat system. Can be wet or
dry sanded.
Equipment Cleaning:
Clean up equipment with #DX 590 All Purpose Clean-up Solvent or DTL Lacquer
Thinner.
# Not currently available in Canada.
Cautions:
. DZL Primer Surfacer must be thoroughly agitated prior to reduction. Material
that has been stored for a long period of time has a tendency to settle out. Only
high grade lacquer thinners should be used, we recommend DTL 16 or better.
. DZL Primer Surfacer builds faster than ordinary lacquer primer surfacers.
Applying heavy films may result in poor sandability, more soak in of topcoats and
sand scratch swelling. Excessive films should be avoided. DZL Primer Surfacer
must be sanded prior to sealing or topcoating.

COMPATIBLE SURFACES: DZL Primer Surfacer may be used over:
Properly cleaned and treated steel
Properly cleaned and treated aluminum
Properly cleaned and sanded fiberglass
Properly cleaned and treated galvanized
DX Plastic Body Fillers
DGP 30 POLY PUTTYÔ
DFL Spot Putties
DSX 1900 Bonding Clear
DL 1970 SEALER 70Ô Primer Sealer
DAS DEL-SEAL® Acrylic Sealers
DPE 1538 Black Zinc Chromate Primer
DX 1791/1792 Self Etching Primer
DPX 800 Polypropylene Primer
DP Epoxy Primers
DZ KONDAR® Acrylic Primer Surfacers
3 Form P-127 (8/91)
OEM Acrylic Enamels (must be sanded)
OEM Acrylic Lacquers (must be sanded)
DURACRYL® (DDL) Acrylic Lacquer (a)
DELSTAR® (DAR) Acrylic Enamel
DELSTAR/DELTHANE® ULTRA (DAR/DXR 80) Acrylic Enamel (a)
STARTHANE® (STAR) Polyurethane Enamel (a)
DITZCO® (DQE) Alkyd Enamel
DELTRON® (DAU) Acrylic Urethane (a)
DELTRON (DBU) Universal Basecoat (a)
DURETHANE® (DU) Polyurethane (a)
(a) Must be cured and sanded

INCOMPATIBLE SURFACES: DZ Primer Surfacer may not be used over:
Elastomeric Substrates
DPX 844 Flexible Primer
DPE Synthetic Primer Sealers
DPU 35/DPU 301 DURETHANE Primer/Hardener
KTS 2K Sealers
K 200/201 Acrylic Urethane Primer Surfacer
K 36 PRIMAÔ Acrylic Urethane Primer Surfacer
NCP 250/NCX 255 NCT® Primer Surfacer
DP 70 Epoxy Primer
PREET 33® Primer Surfacer
DX 54 ROADGUARD® Chip Resistant Coating
#DPW 1811 Black Chassis Primer
#DPW 1821 Low VOC Primer Surfacer
#DPW 1832 Low VOC Metal Primer
#DPW 1844 Low VOC Plastic Primer
# Not currently available in Canada.

COMPATIBLE TOPCOATS: DZL Primer Surfacers may be topcoated with:
DSX 1900 Bonding Clear
DL 1970 SEALER 70 Primer Sealer
DAS DEL-SEAL Acrylic Sealers
DFL Spot Putties
DPE Synthetic Primer Sealers
DZ KONDAR Acrylic Primer Surfacers
DPU 35/301 DURETHANE Primer/Hardener
DURACRYL (DDL) Acrylic Lacquer
DELSTAR (DAR) Acrylic Enamel
4 Form P-127 (8/91)
DELSTAR/DELTHANE ULTRA (DAR/DXR 80) Polyurethane Acrylic Enamel
STARTHANE (STAR) Polyurethane Enamel
DITZCO (DQE) Alkyd Enamel
DITZCO (DQE/DXE 123) Polyurethane Alkyd Enamel

INCOMPATIBLE TOPCOATS: DZL Primer Surfacers may not be topcoated with:
DX Plastic Body Fillers
DPU 35/301 DURETHANE Primer/Hardener
DP Epoxy Primers
KTS 2K Sealers
DP 70 Epoxy Primer
DPE 1538 Black Zinc Chromate Primer
DX 54 ROADGUARD® Chip Resistant Coating
DPX 844 Flexible Primer
DPX 800 Polypropylene Primer
DX 1791/1792 Self Etching Primer
K 200/201 Primer Surfacer
K 36/K 201 PRIMA Primer Surfacer
#DPW 1811 Black Chassis Primer
#DPW 1821 Low VOC Primer Surfacer
#DPW 1832 Low VOC Metal Primer
#DPW 1844 Low VOC Plastic Primer
DURETHANE (DU) Polyurethane
NCP 250/NCX 255 NCT Primer Surfacer
#STARBASE (DSB) Acrylic Enamel Basecoat
DELTRON (DAU) Acrylic Urethane
DELTRON 2000 (DBC) Basecoat
CONCEPT (DCC) Acrylic Urethane
#DELTA 2800 (DHS) Low VOC Polyurethane
#DELTA 3500 (DUHS) Low VOC Polyurethane
UCV Vinyl Spray Color
# Not currently available in Canada.

TEST PROPERTIES:
Color: DZL 32 Lt Gray DZL 34 Dk Gray DZL 72 Red
Appl. Visc #2 Zahn (a) 18 sec 18 sec 18 sec
Flash Point PMCC 27°F 27°F 27°F
VOC (Unreduced) 4.8 lbs/US Gal 4.8 lbs/US Gal 5.9 lbs/US Gal
VOC (a) 5.9 lbs/US Gal 5.9 lbs/US Gal 5.9 lbs/US Gal
Weight Solids 49.08% 48.37% 49.35%
Volume Solids 30.17% 29.69% 30.16%
5 Form P-127 (8/91)
Sq Ft Coverage/US Gal 484 @ 1 mil 476 @ 1 mil 483 @ 1 mil
(100% transfer efficiency)
Dry Time Between Coats
@ 70°F/21°C 10 minutes 10 minutes 10 minutes
Dry Time to Sand 30 minutes 30 minutes 30 minutes
@ 70°F/21°C
Weight Per Gallon 9.4 lbs/US Gal 9.35 lbs/US Gal 9.47 lbs/US Gal
Fill Properties Excellent Excellent Excellent
Color Hold Out Very Good Very Good Very Good
Humidity Resistance Excellent Excellent Excellent
Settling Resistance Very Good Very Good Very Good
Sandability Very Good Very Good Very Good
(a) Ready to Spray (1 part DZL to 1 1/2 parts DTL 876)

Sorry that those are a little scrambled,but I wanted to let you guys know what I am going to use.I bolded certain text in the 2 documents.That's to show that the 2 products that I chose will work together.

kenseth 17 -

Is this a good DA Sander?

Nightrain

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PPG DAR Polyurethane Acrylic Enamel -

1 Form P-137 (8/91)
DELSTAR®/DELTHANE® Form P-137 (8/91)
Polyurethane Acrylic Enamel
DAR

IDENTITY CODE
Acrylic Enamel Color DAR
DELTHANE ULTRA DXR 80
Urethane Hardener (For spot repair) DU 4
Urethane Hardener (For spot repair) DXR 79
Acrylic Enamel Reducers DTR 600 (50 - 65°F) (10 - 18°C)
DTR 601 (60 - 75°F) (16 - 24°C)
DTR 602 (70 - 85°F) (21 - 29°C)
DTR 604 (85°F & Above) (29°C & Above)
DTR 607 Retarder - 25% Blend

BACKGROUND
The DELSTAR/DELTHANE (DAR/DXR 80) Polyurethane Acrylic Enamel system is
designed for panel repair and overall refinishing or as a fleet finish. It resists the elements
and retains excellent color and gloss. DELSTAR/DELTHANE provides you the same
texture, color, and depth of gloss as an original new car finish.
An additional Hardener, DU 4 or DXR 79 Hardener is available and recommended for spot
repair. DU 4 Hardener or DXR 79 Hardener helps minimize overspray and gives a faster
dry.

DIRECTIONS FOR USE
Preparation:
• Wash affected areas that will be topcoated with soap and water, then reclean with DX
330 ACRYLI-CLEAN® Wax and Grease Remover or DX 380 Low VOC Cleaner.
• Treat all bare metal surfaces with the appropriate PPG metal treatment systems.
• Prime bare metal areas, with DP Epoxy Primers.
• Fill minor imperfections with one of the following recommended Primer Surfacers:
2 Form P-137 (8/91)
KONDAR® Acrylic Primer Surfacer
DZL Primer Surfacers
K 200/201 Acrylic Urethane Primer Surfacer
K 36 PRIMAä Acrylic Urethane Primer Surfacer
• Final sand the repair with : Machine/DA 280 grit or finer
Hand sand dry 320 grit or finer
Hand sand wet 400 grit or finer
• Reclean with #DX 220, DX 330, or DX 380 and tack wipe
# Not currently available in Canada.
Note: The use of a primer-sealer will strengthen any paint system. PPG
recommends the following Primer Sealers be used over the repair area:
DP Epoxy Primer reduced as a sealer
DAS DEL-SEAL® Acrylic Sealers
DPE 656, 1202, 1338, Primer Sealers
Mixing:

Reduce DELSTAR (DAR) with the DTR Reducer best suited for shop conditions and add
DELTHANE (DXR 80) Hardener using the following ratio:
DAR Color DTR Reducer DXR 80
8 parts 6 parts 1 part
or to or to or
8 pints 6 pints 1 pint
Note: Pot life of DAR/DXR 80 is 8 hours at 70°F (21°C).
Cautions:
• DELTHANE ULTRA (DXR 80), DU 4 or DXR 79 Hardener will react with atmospheric
moisture. After pouring the quantity needed be sure to immediately wipe off the screw
threads and replace the cap of the hardener container to avoid congealing. We
recommend using the remainder of the hardener within 7 days after opening for best
results.
• Hot spraying is not recommended when hardener is used because the heat stimulates
chemical reactions and causes rapid gelling.
Application and Dry Times:
• Set air pressure for 55 - 60 PSI at the gun when using a siphon feed gun.
• Apply 2 - 3 full wet coats. Film build per coat is 1.2 mils.
• Allow 15 - 20 minutes dry time between coats.
3 Form P-137 (8/91)
• Allow the final coat to air dry overnight at 70°F (21°C) or force dry 40 minutes at 140°F
(60°C), before putting into service.
Note: During periods of inclement weather, it is advisable to let the paint
dry an additional 24 hours before subjecting the new finish to those elements.

Spot Repair:
• Reduce DELSTAR color in a ratio of eight parts color to six parts reducer and one part
DU 4 Hardener or DXR 79 Hardener. Example:
DU 4 or DXR 79
DAR Color DTR Reducer Hardener
8 parts 6 parts 1 part
or to or to or
8 pints 6 pints 1 pint
• With air pressure at the gun set to 30 - 35 PSI spray two or three medium wet coats to
the repaired area, over-lap each preceding coat, and allow 10 - 15 minutes dry time
between coats @ 70°F (21°C).
Note: A two gun system is recommended when performing a spot repair
with the second gun containing DTR 607. After each coat of color, mist the
overspray edge with the second gun containing the DTR 607. DO NOT over
wet the edge.
• Allow the repair to air dry overnight at 70°F (21°C), or force dry for 30 - 40 minutes at
140°F (60°C).
Note: If there is any evidence of minor dulling around the edges, use a mild
polish to remove it. DO NOT USE COMPOUND or polishes containing
abrasive materials.

Clearcoating:
When a clearcoat is desired to provide additional long term durability, proper color match,
or wet-look appearance, the recommended clears are:
*DAU 75 DELCLEAR® Acrylic Urethane Clear
*DAU 82 DELGLO® Acrylic Urethane Clear
*DCU 8200 CONCEPTä 8200 Medium Solids Air dry Clear
*DCU 2020 CONCEPT 2020 Urethane Clear
*DCU 2001 CONCEPT 2001 High Solids Polyurethane Clear
*Note: When using these clears, the following dry times are required to
avoid lifting:
DAU 75: The color must dry a minimum of 4 hours at 70°F (21°C).
4 Form P-137 (8/91)
DAU 82: The color must dry a minimum of 4 hours at 70°F (21°C).
DCU 8200: The color must dry a minimum of 4 hours at 70°F (21°C).
DCU 2020: The color must dry a minimum of 4 hours at 70°F (21°C).
DCU 2001: The color must dry a minimum of 16 hours at 70°F (21°C) or force dry 40
minutes at 120°F/29°C and cool.

Repair or Recoating:
DELSTAR/DELTHANE ULTRA (DAR/DXR 80) may be recoated with itself after a minimum
of 4 hours air dry @ 70°F (21°C), but preferably overnight. DAR/DXR 80 may also be
recoated following a force dry for 40 minutes @ 140°F (60°C).
Painting of Flexible Parts:
Spot repairing of flexible parts is not recommended. Clean entire part with DX 103 MULTIPREPÔ.
Sand thoroughly with 400 grit paper. If primer is required, use DPX 844 Flexible
Primer thinned 100% (1:1) with DX 103 Thinner, or K 200 or K 36 with K 248 Flexible
Additive.
Mix DELSTAR Color in a ratio of 8 parts DAR Color to 4 parts DTR Reducer to 2 parts DX
369 FLEXATIVEä to 1 part DXR 80 Hardener (8:4:2:1)
DAR Color DTR Reducer DX 369 DXR 80
8 parts 4 parts 2 parts 1 part
or to or to or to or
8 ounces 4 ounces 2 ounces 1 ounce
Additives (DX 77 Fisheye Preventer):
Surface to be painted must be thoroughly cleaned. Silicone additives should never be
used unless positively necessary as flow-out of paints is decreased in direct relation to the
amount used. When absolutely necessary DX 77 Fisheye Preventer can be used in
DELSTAR/DELTHANE Polyurethane Acrylic Enamel systems in a ratio of one or two
capfuls to a quart gun cup of mixed paint.
Equipment Cleaning:
Spray guns, gun caps, pressure pots, etc. should be cleaned thoroughly after each use with
#DX 590 All Purpose Clean-up Solvent, DTR Reducer, or DTL Lacquer thinner. Never
use lacquer thinner to reduce DELSTAR/DELTHANE for spraying.
# Not currently available in Canada.

COMPATIBLE SURFACES: DELSTAR/DELTHANE may be used over:
DL 1970 SEALER 70Ô Primer Sealer
KTS 2K Sealer
5 Form P-137 (8/91)
DZL Primer Surfacer
DZ KONDAR Acrylic Primer Surfacer
K 36 PRIMA Acrylic Urethane Primer Surfacer
NCP 250/NCX 255 NCT® Primer Surfacer
PREETÔ 33 Primer Surfacer
K 200/201 Acrylic Urethane Primer Surfacer
DP Epoxy Primer/DP Catalyst
DPU 35/301 DURETHANE® Primer/Hardener
DPE Zinc Chromate Primer
DX 1791/1792 Self Etching Primer
*DPX 844 Flexible Primer
*DPX 800 Polypropylene Primer
#DPW 1832 Low VOC Metal Primer
#DPW 1821 Low VOC Primer Surfacer
#*DPW 1844 Low VOC Plastic Primer
DPE Primer Sealers
DAS DEL-SEAL Acrylic Sealers
DX 54 ROADGUARD® Chip Resistant Coating
*DX 369 FLEXATIVE must be used in the DELSTAR/DELTHANE color.
# Not currently available in Canada.

INCOMPATIBLE SURFACES: DELSTAR/DELTHANE must not be used over:
DSX 1900 Bonding Clear
DXR 1050 Recoat Sealer
UCV Vinyl Spray Color
TEST PROPERTIES Solids Metallics
Application Viscosity (#2 Zahn) (a) 18 - 22 sec. 18 - 22 sec.
VOC (DAR only) 4.2 #/U.S. Gal 4.5 #/U.S. Gal
VOC (a) 5.1 #/U.S. Gal 5.5 #/U.S. Gal
Weight Solids (DAR only) 53% 50%
Volume Solids (a) 28% 25%
Sq Ft Coverage/US Gal
(100% transfer efficiency) (a) 449 sq ft @ 1 mil 400 sq ft @ 1 mil
Gloss (20 Degree) 85 80
Dust Free Time 40 min 50 min.
Tack Free Time 3 hours 3 hours
Tape Free Time 6 hours 6 hours
Recoat Time 4 - 6 hrs 4 - 6 hrs
Pencil Hardness B B
(a) Ready to Spray (8 parts DAR Color to 6 parts DTR Reducer to 1 part DXR 80)
6 Form P-137 (8/91)

Nightrain

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