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12-10-2019 01:56 PM
Dragonoake
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Originally Posted by boothboy View Post
The people Dragonoake is looking for are Gene Winfield and designer Harry Bradley.
Yep, you got it
Did I not tell you you would know very well who these people were?

Never saw the video before; in fact, I had just read this article hours before I posted the question

I keep thinking about the time, back in 1985, I was talking to a collector and she was telling me about a '69 Trans Am convertible sitting in a junk yard in Boulder, CO....
We both knew it was one of eight made, but.... "Not worth it," she said, "It hit a tree and it would cost you 30-grand to fix it up."

Even if I had spent another $50k to make everything perfect,it still would have been the best $80k I've ever spent
12-10-2019 10:36 AM
boothboy The people Dragonoake is looking for are Gene Winfield and designer Harry Bradley. I never heard this story before but after finding their names and the connection I poked around a little more and found this.


Here's where the story gets better for me. I've mentioned that I worked at a Pontiac Dealership in the San Fernando Valley as a New Car and Quick Service mechanic in those years. Livingston Pontiac was the closest dealership to where Titus had his shop and we saw him and his kid freaklently in our parts dept. One of our parts guy was a Tran's Am freak both car and the racing class. He was Titus's # one fan and was over at Jerry's shop all the time. He'ed drag back all the take off parts that Jerry took off his cars and replaced with heavier duty parts. Rear sway bars come to mind because I got a few and took them home Who knows, maybe I got one from this car? Doubt it but who knows. Here's the neater thing. Jerry would sometimes show up in a , you guessed it, a silver Trans Am.

Thanks Dragonoake for your question. I would have never been able to put this together!

BB
12-10-2019 03:37 AM
idrivejunk
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Originally Posted by dragonoake View Post
the design was submitted in 1967
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12-09-2019 11:47 PM
Dragonoake
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Originally Posted by idrivejunk View Post
Before I search for the truth and disqualify myself though, I have to ask what 69 Trans Am?

It was a 69 1/2. That much I think I remember.
The design was submitted in 1967
12-09-2019 06:42 PM
idrivejunk I will have to find a High Perfomance Pontiac mag article, I betcha Rocky knows the scoop.

Before I search for the truth and disqualify myself though, I have to ask what 69 Trans Am?

It was a 69 1/2. That much I think I remember.
12-09-2019 01:38 PM
Dragonoake One is a well known artist who had worked for GM for a while, but left before 1967
The other is a legendary West Coast customizer
12-08-2019 11:32 PM
boothboy
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Originally Posted by Dragonoake View Post
Nope.
Neither was working for GM at that time
John DeLorean worked for GM until 1972. He was with Pontiac from 1956 to 1969. He left Pontiac to head up Chevy for a short leaving in 1972. Cars under his direction were as follows Pontiac GTO muscle car, the Pontiac Firebird, Pontiac Grand Prix, Chevrolet Cosworth Vega.
Bill Porter and Jack Humbert were the design team through Gen 2 Firebird. Both under the direction of John DeLorean, head of Pontiac.

BB

Both firebird and Camaro were put into production to combate Fords Mustang. GM at first thought the mustang would be nothing more than a warmed over Falcon. Bad spys! The Firebird and Camaro had been put on the back burners earlier because Pete Estas of Chevy didn't want anything to come close to the Corvette in performance . The GTO could have been a lot more peppier except for the Corvette.
12-08-2019 09:10 PM
idrivejunk Knudsen and Beswick come to mind next, as I pull names out of a foggy hat. Never really concerned myself with Firebirds and as for me being a Pontiac guy... yeah I like how they look. I like the engine. I know song names but artist names or histories, no. Same thing. I like to hear the word Pontiac come up naturally in conversations and since we live close to one another, you know as well as I do how many later ones are in traffic still. Sure thought the first guess was the guys who did the 69 GP and I figured it might be the same guys. But I'm out of names at the moment, off the top of my head.
12-08-2019 08:26 PM
Dragonoake
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Originally Posted by idrivejunk View Post
Was it DeLorean and Wangers?
Nope.
Neither was working for GM at that time
12-08-2019 07:08 PM
idrivejunk
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Originally Posted by Dragonoake View Post
OK, who came up with the design for the '69 Pontiac Trans Am?
Two names you'll know
Was it DeLorean and Wangers?
12-08-2019 05:54 PM
Dragonoake OK, who came up with the design for the '69 Pontiac Trans Am?
Two names you'll know
12-08-2019 05:19 PM
idrivejunk
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Originally Posted by Dragonoake View Post
I can't find a picture of it, but it seems to me there was a mid-engined Corvette prototype built around the late-50's
Closest thing I can find is CERV-2
I'm thinking some big name, possibly George Barris, bought it from GM in pieces years later
Ding, ding! That answer works for me.

It is the XP-719, a mid-engine Corvette concept with retractable roof. Here is the article my info and the GM pic came from:

The Mystery of the Little-Known 1959 XP-719 Corvette Rear-Engine Prototype

Here is a Chevy page that shows the CERV prototypes:

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...0718-cerv.html

Posting links so I don't tell a pack of lies.

Never did get my chicken dinner yesterday, think I will now. And I hope my question was not a repeat. Enjoy the articles. Wild stuff there.
12-08-2019 03:16 PM
Dragonoake I can't find a picture of it, but it seems to me there was a mid-engined Corvette prototype built around the late-50's
Closest thing I can find is CERV-2
I'm thinking some big name, possibly George Barris, bought it from GM in pieces years later
12-08-2019 11:00 AM
idrivejunk
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Originally Posted by Dragonoake View Post
I'm going to say it's an early sketch of what became the Mustang concept car in the early-60's
Nope. Now that you mention it I can see a resemblance in the shape.

Getting colder, with this guess.
12-07-2019 10:55 PM
Dragonoake I'm going to say it's an early sketch of what became the Mustang concept car in the early-60's
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