|02-06-2006 09:57 AM|
|shine||in the late 70's early 80's the cost of a nice paint job was 2500 . 25 years later i still get folks wanting a 2500 paint job. go figure.|
|02-06-2006 08:51 AM|
Back in the 60s, Earl Schieb used to advertise "I'll paint any car, any color, for $29.95". Good ole Diamond Luster paint. They did know how to lay on a shine. If you wern't planning on getting rid of the car soon, you always wanted to get the matching paint because what they did was go to paint factories, and buy the over runs, and mix it together for a "custom color". No two batches came out the same. You could go to the auto paint store and get a gallon of synthetic enamel for $10. I think it was DULUX. Red would cost you another buck or so.
Back in '63, the national median family income was $4,400, which comes up to $84 a week. This was the average Joe, who was supporting a wife and a couple kids, making house payments, and car payments, too. $45 doesn't sound like much, but it was more than half his gross pay. Don't forget, he had taxes, FICA, insurance and other stuff taken out before he ever saw it, just like we do now. I can recall using the spray attachment on my mother's Electrolux vacuum cleaner to spray a car. Then I used Dupont's white polishing compound to rub it out. Worked pretty good. $10 worth of paint, a couple bucks worth of reducer, 4-new recaps at about $8 each, and I effectively trippled the original cost of my car, which was running and drivable when I brought it home.
|02-06-2006 06:01 AM|
|shine||be glad it's not a vette. going price to restore the body is around 15k.|
|02-05-2006 10:10 PM|
|solidaxel||Pontiac Power, I can relate to that as I graduated from high school in 63 like you, and if you wanted a hot rod that is what you did! But then of course you could have your 34 5window coupe painted at the corner Signal gas station for a mer $45.00 and it was all the same color and a 50 footer, but it was painted and it was yours. Your are right if you want them up close and take a shot at your work put the most expensive paint job you can afford!!|
|02-05-2006 08:55 PM|
$4500 paint job
I vaguely recall the original post. I certainly see where most of you guys are coming from, with the cost of your facility and the cost of your help, and
everything else. Probably if we lop a 0 off the end of the figure, it would bring the cost back to understandable numbers for many of us. Take 0 off the price of a $25,000 car, and you come up with $2,500- the price of a new 57 Chevy, back in 57. Few if any of us could imagine $2,500 as real money in 1957, let alone be able to borrow it, but the point is valid.
I do not recall if the guy wanted much more paint job than he was willing to pay for, or if he got more paint job than he wanted.
I paint my cars in my barn. My cars end up as 25 footers. They look great at 25 feet, and even a lot closer, if you are more interested in jawboning, and enjoying life, rather than looking for something I should have done better. That is what I intend them to be. I live down a gravel road, off a tar and chip road, and back when the kids were still home, we'd all get in the toy, the wife, the kids, the dog, and occasionally a cat, and go somewhere. I never had a 40 Ford Coupe or Convertible, and don't have any 57 Chevys around, either. I have 50s cars, and I generally try not to have much over $5,000 in them, when finished, mainly because unless you make a killer #1 car out of it, it isn't worth much more than $5,000 anyway. Sort of makes the idea of paying $4,500 just for a paint job a bad idea, doesn't it?
You guys can do that kind of work, which is far better than the factories ever intended to do, because we are richer now. NOt only just US, but the nation is richer, so we can indulge ourselves.
Don't forget the origin of hot rods was cheap transportation. WE used to drag home non-running cars, and move parts around util we had something we could use. I was out of college before I ever paid more than $50 for a car. I had lots of cars I built up from 3 or 4 cars I got for single digit money--like under $10, sold parts to my friends that paid for my cars, and scrapped the hulks to make spending money for a couple weeks. Sure wish I had some of those bodies I sent to the bone yard back 50 years ago, now.
With my luck, they'd probably still be worth what I gave for them--nothing.
|02-04-2006 07:18 PM|
|mrcleanr6||you all forgot about "john deere blitz black"!! how much crap could there be to talk about on flat black tractor paint. holy craaaaap!!|
|02-04-2006 07:03 PM|
|chadsbodyshop49119||Lol.. I didn't realize this was so old, it was on the hope page.. lol..|
|02-04-2006 04:27 PM|
|kenseth17||I think the first thread I posted in was maaco vs at home paintjob, and that thread never disappears. Some topics just won't die on here.|
|02-04-2006 03:14 PM|
|evilone||Last year called,and said it wants its thread back!......lol .I think this is one of the very first threads that I posted on.Thats funny!|
|02-04-2006 10:54 AM|
This is why you need to get quotes in writing and why I learned how to do body/paint work myself.
|02-04-2006 10:16 AM|
I think you have to have good idea of what you need to make on a job and not do it for any less,if it ends up taking longer,just chalk it up to experience and don't do it again.
I'm in media blasting and used to give contract prices to log truck owners for blasting and painting their trucks and trailers,then you would run into some that were extremely hard to blast due to excessive rust,different steel composition,or thick layers of really good coatings.
Some of these would take twice as long,cutting my hourly rate in half,I've also found that the guys that want to haggle for a better deal,are usually the first ones to complain about quality,as well as the slowest to pay.
Now I charge strictly by the hour,take it or leave it,many people do leave it,but it works out for the best I think,were all getting our moneys worth that way.
On the bigger jobs,like blasting and refinishing log houses,if a person wants a set contract price,I go way over what I estimate that it will actually cost,if the person goes for it,I know there's enough in it to do a top notch job,and again everyone is happy.
The only bad thing the prson can say about you may be"he's a little pricey,but does excellent work".
Anyone who takes pride in their posessions is willing to pay for excellence.
One thing I would never do is negotiate a price,then try to charge more when done,unfair and will get you a bad rap in the buisness.
I would rather lose a job than do it for less than it's worth,I hate losing sleep over bad deals.
|02-04-2006 06:38 AM|
|shine||cant live on tack rag sandwitches and reducer tea.|
|02-04-2006 01:26 AM|
|gdroze||and what about that fantastic paint job you do that is done and ready to go. and some moron drops a wrench on it, and you must repaint it with your time material and labor. sometimes a big cost.|
|02-04-2006 12:08 AM|
Old thread, old thread, whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when the old thread police come for you!!!
|02-03-2006 08:59 PM|
Very good point martin, there are more than one way to look at things..
have to walk in that person's shoes to totally understand..
I've had my own shop since 2001, and am just now getting to the point of getting the caliber work I'd like to do, it's been hard trying to keep up with overhead,, it's unreal the bills that come with a shop, especially the gas when you have 3 heaters going to keep temperature and it's going right out the roof.. I don't make a killing, in fact after bills I don't have a whole lot left, but I do have 2 buildings to keep up with, so in the end it'll be worth it. I'm not complaining either,, it's just what it takes to survive.. But at the same token i'm not complaining about the mechanic shop down the street who is making good money.. he's paid his dues also.. any business can be a challenge to run, and propose a toast to all that give it their all..
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