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05-27-2017 11:49 AM
idrivejunk I'd like to see what happens with the core support loose. Perhaps shims are needed between it and the chassis. Not sufficiently familiar with the body style but if there are some fender braces that don't fit comfortably those could also be contributing to the issues.
05-27-2017 11:40 AM
tech69 I could have sworn those bolt to the side. I was wrong. Nice with the newer cars if you have to you can just use your hands and pull up or roll the mounting surface on the cowl.
05-27-2017 09:24 AM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by tech69 View Post
I think those hinges mount to the side of the hood. Moving forward probably a good idea to have guys show the issue but also the hinges and for this car even the striker, as that lowers the front of the hood. We both know what we'd do if the car was in front of us but I'm sitting here trying to recall it in my mind. I do remember there not being much compromising with those hoods so more is done at the fender, vent panel, and door if it gets extreme, but there is some stuff you can do. Get the shims out for the fenders, you'll probably need them.


The bolts up up into the hood but I am thinking because they are so close together or that the hinge binds before it can go any lower or something is why this isn't lowering the hood.

But that is all a moot point being from the photos the hood actually looks good, it's the fenders that are lower, at least that is what it looks like to me and I have went over that with him.

Brian
05-27-2017 12:19 AM
tech69
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR View Post

Shimming the hood hinge on the front bolt (nearest the front of the car) WILL lower that hood so I don't know what happened when you tried it.



Brian
I think those hinges mount to the side of the hood. Moving forward probably a good idea to have guys show the issue but also the hinges and for this car even the striker, as that lowers the front of the hood. We both know what we'd do if the car was in front of us but I'm sitting here trying to recall it in my mind. I do remember there not being much compromising with those hoods so more is done at the fender, vent panel, and door if it gets extreme, but there is some stuff you can do. Get the shims out for the fenders, you'll probably need them.
05-26-2017 04:37 AM
tech69 that fender on the driver's side looks like it needs to be shimmed up as well or hood hinge raised. Those cars in that era never fit good in the factory . There is no rotating the hinge on this one, the slots give you all the movement. Rule of thumb is shim the fenders to accommodate doors and hood, if you have to half the fix here and half the fix at the fender.. not much movement in the hood as far as gaps. I'd check all squareness in front end and even measure cowl distance. They move very easily on those cars with all the years they've been on the road. In a nutshell, there's not too much you can do with those hoods, it's the fenders that need addressing, and some at the hinge. Slotting is NOT out of the norm for hood hinges that doesn't allow you the height, but the fenders are a focal point as well.
05-25-2017 09:20 PM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by DESPARADO57 View Post
Here you go Brian , look forward to your reply

1st pic -the hinge
2nd to 4th pics are 57 oem shop manual adjustnents -at the top of the saddle on both sides where it attaches to the fenders your able to install shims as well as you can install shims at both ends of the grille/hood latch bar ...hope these help you?...DESPARADO57

P.S -You also can install or remove shims at the base of the saddle bar right below where the radiator sits ( which ive already have done so ,as well as enlongagating the frame tab holes which the saddle attaches too)
Other than the hinge being all the way down unable to rotate more down I can't for the life of me figure out how that wouldn't lower the hood. I was thinking as I remembered the bolts are pretty close to one an other, that would make a difference. It HAS TO lower it when that is done under normal circumstances.

On moving the fenders out, it's pretty hard to go down the list here without it right in front of me. But you can move it over with the rad support lower mounting to the frame. That is straight up, not a problem, it will move over at that point but loosening up other bolts like inner fenders at the firewall and stuff like that will be needed.

To move the fender out from the hood shimming it away from the rad support upper brackets that bolt to the side of the fender. But there are a zillion other bolts to the inner fenders and grille and what not that would need to be loosened as well.

Brian
05-25-2017 02:24 PM
DESPARADO57
57 chevy issues

Here you go Brian , look forward to your reply

1st pic -the hinge
2nd to 4th pics are 57 oem shop manual adjustnents -at the top of the saddle on both sides where it attaches to the fenders your able to install shims as well as you can install shims at both ends of the grille/hood latch bar ...hope these help you?...DESPARADO57

P.S -You also can install or remove shims at the base of the saddle bar right below where the radiator sits ( which ive already have done so ,as well as enlongagating the frame tab holes which the saddle attaches too)
05-25-2017 10:31 AM
MARTINSR
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First off Brian , I must say ,I very much like your very thought out thorough replies , as most give one liners to stuff i have no idea what their talking about , My chevy was to fitted to the best that they could do at the time , it all looked good to me , but then again im not a bodyman ...hence why i take my vehicles to the experts ..omly to be taken advantage of many many times ...after it was painted and I got it home I started to put all the chrome etc back onto the vehicle , ..when i installed , the front hood bar /hood bar extensions ., this is when i noticed many imperfections , my main real concern is the gap between the hood and the fenders at the front at the hood bar , the bodyman who did my car came over to my place ad told me in order to correct that issue , i had to elonagate the holes in the mounting tab of the frame where the saddle bar sits , so i was told if i do so , i could shift the whole front end clip over to the drivers side to make up the gap difference ...now I must tell you that both front fenders are OEM orginal GM 57 chevy fenders , the hood is original to the car (not aftermarket )...also my front end suspension clip is from a 1972 camaro Z28, which i installed a way long time ago before it was every painted ..I never had issues before I recently had a off frame restoration ..
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you mentioned to lift the rear of the fenders , how do i go about doing this?

...also i mentioned I installed a shim on the front bolt of the hinge to hood ..and actually made it higher ..the shim I tried was a 1/8 shim ... and I too dont understand why it didnt lower the back of the hood down ...so im curious should I try lowering the hood hinge on the firewall somewhat?
Take a picture with the hood open showing me where you put the shim. But again, I am thinking the fenders could go up in the back, the hood looks like it fits well with the cowl, the fenders are what are low. At least that is what it looks like to me in these photos. The fender has a bolt right to the inside of the hood going vertical, loosen that bolt and put shims under it to raise the fender. You also need to loosen a bunch of other bolts, above the door hinge for example. I don't know those 57's well and I can't remember where any in particular may be but if you look it over and do what makes sense. But you could cheat a little too and just raise it up at that one bolt near the hood. That one and along the edge of the hood by the hinges should all be loosened to do this. It's hard to say, more may need to be loosened, again, it's a dance. You may be able to just raise the side next to the hood, that is if the fender fits well with the door. If the fender looks low there too, then raise the whole rear of the fender. If it fits well with the door than raising just at the hood makes sense.

On the front moving it out, I would have to look at this way more, I don't have a clue how to move that fender out without a photos.

Brian
05-25-2017 09:20 AM
DESPARADO57 First off Brian , I must say ,I very much like your very thought out thorough replies , as most give one liners to stuff i have no idea what their talking about , My chevy was to fitted to the best that they could do at the time , it all looked good to me , but then again im not a bodyman ...hence why i take my vehicles to the experts ..omly to be taken advantage of many many times ...after it was painted and I got it home I started to put all the chrome etc back onto the vehicle , ..when i installed , the front hood bar /hood bar extensions ., this is when i noticed many imperfections , my main real concern is the gap between the hood and the fenders at the front at the hood bar , the bodyman who did my car came over to my place ad told me in order to correct that issue , i had to elonagate the holes in the mounting tab of the frame where the saddle bar sits , so i was told if i do so , i could shift the whole front end clip over to the drivers side to make up the gap difference ...now I must tell you that both front fenders are OEM orginal GM 57 chevy fenders , the hood is original to the car (not aftermarket )...also my front end suspension clip is from a 1972 camaro Z28, which i installed a way long time ago before it was every painted ..I never had issues before I recently had a off frame restoration ..
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you mentioned to lift the rear of the fenders , how do i go about doing this?

...also i mentioned I installed a shim on the front bolt of the hinge to hood ..and actually made it higher ..the shim I tried was a 1/8 shim ... and I too dont understand why it didnt lower the back of the hood down ...so im curious should I try lowering the hood hinge on the firewall somewhat?
05-25-2017 08:48 AM
MARTINSR So often what we have to accept is a slight imperfect fit everywhere instead of a perfect fit one place and then trying to make a horrible fit somewhere else perfect. Often we give up that perfect fit on one spot to get another area that is really bad to get "good enough" while giving up the "perfect" fit on that one spot so it's now "good enough" too. It's a dance, not choreographed perfection but a country line dance, "nice" fit everywhere is better than trying to make the impossible happen.

Brian
05-25-2017 08:45 AM
MARTINSR Yeow, the first thing I have to ask, were these panels fitting before it was painted? I mean THESE panels, did you replace any? And I mean these panels, were they fit before you painted?


It sure looks like the fenders being low are more of an issue than the hood being high!

Shimming the hood hinge on the front bolt (nearest the front of the car) WILL lower that hood so I don't know what happened when you tried it.

I would start with raising the rear of the fenders. A lot of the fit you have looks like poor shape of the parts more than "alignment" issues. When your fender gap to hood isn't contestant and all that would have been taken care of before it was painted. But honestly, they aren't that bad as to just moving things a bit more will get you pretty nice and likely better than the cars panels fit new, they didn't fit like a 2016 car does now in 1957. They fit REALLY bad actually, so you are getting damn close right now.

I would start with raising the rear of the fenders.

Brian
05-25-2017 08:02 AM
DESPARADO57 good morning Brian , here are some pics of the hood/fender alignment issues on my 57 chevy bel air Im experiencing , if you have any suggestion as to a cure , they would be greatly appreciated ..thanks ..DESPARADO57
05-25-2017 12:22 AM
tech69
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one of my major issues I was experiencing was the space gap at the front of the car between the fender and the hood ,the gap was 3/8 of an inch on the passenger side and left side no clearance (as it was binding)
elongating holes is what you do after you exhausted all other options. Make sure your support is square with the cowl by measuring length and cross lengths from bolt holes on cowl to support. Make them even measurements. If you're not square you will have that issue. You can loosen the support and have a buddy use a pry bar to get it over where it needs to be as you tighten back up. If this is an old chevy from the 50's I think you shim the sides of the support to fender if need be. Been a while since I worked on one but recall not liking that design from a bogyman's perspective.
05-24-2017 08:34 AM
MARTINSR Nope, I have nothing. Post it here so everyone can see and others may have ideas too.

Brian
05-24-2017 06:28 AM
DESPARADO57
Pics?

Just curious Brian , I replied back to you yesterday Tuesday May 23 with a message and many pics of my hood/fender alignment, im curious to know if you recieved my reply ?.....if not what am I doing incorrect?...thanks DESPARADO57
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