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02-08-2019 08:15 AM
55 Tony
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Originally Posted by dwighty390 View Post
New point: apple cider...I hate it when my mother-in-law doesn't shake the dang apple cider!

I used to really like the apple cider when it got a bit old and a little fizzy. I don't think it should be shaken at that stage.
02-07-2019 06:48 PM
rip-tide
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Originally Posted by dwighty390 View Post
I had to reread that a couple times to figure it out. The main points I was trying to make were:
1. Shaking motor oil seems to be pointless.
evidence: We have never done it, whether it be jugs or bulk oil, and do not have any evidence to suggest that a lack of additive has caused problems.
2. Filling the filter seems to be pointless (esp in regard to helping the oil pump).
evidence: We have never done it. Dad may have back in the day on grain trucks at one point (BBC), but the filters were oriented in such a way that you weren't just pouring it back down your arm/on the floor.

Of course, evidence of "we haven't done it that way and have been fine" can be quite a slippery slope away from best practices. With a fleet of 8 tractors, loads of vehicles/trucks all being done this way for decades PLUS a lack of recommendation from manufacturers to give a shake, I say it's silly to worry about.

The red tractor is not self-shaking like a JD 2-cylinder, so of course it becomes more of a concern to get that oil mixed up. DUH!

New point: apple cider...I hate it when my mother-in-law doesn't shake the dang apple cider!
Do not think a filled filter does a thing for the pump. My thought there is more inline with dry bearings, as in cam or mains. We all know a liquid takes the path of least resistance. Small or a tight clearance with an air pocket could remain dry longer at start up.

!! funny come back.... still like the red tractor

Pep
02-07-2019 10:00 AM
meborder If you had additive fall out on a 55gallon drum of oil which took a couple of years to consume, how would you ever know?

Some oils don’t tend to have this problem. Some oils do. So for some it is a moot point. For others not so much.

In regard to prefilling oil filters.

Would you rather have your engine run with no oil pumping to the top end for 10 seconds or 5 seconds? For 5 seconds or 2?

Before anything gets any oil, the pump has to first fill the filter. Why would you not want to cut that time down if you can by simply filling the filter when practicable?

I shake old oil just in case, and I pre fill my filters because it is so freaking easy, it seems silly not to.

Exception being the tractors whose filters point vertically down. Those are pointless to try and pre fill.
02-07-2019 09:15 AM
dwighty390
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Originally Posted by rip-tide View Post
See you don't get it, if the additive is not there in the first place. Even a fool like me should realize that wont matter. ....DUH

If you are really worried shake your red tractor while you're at it...

Pep
I had to reread that a couple times to figure it out. The main points I was trying to make were:
1. Shaking motor oil seems to be pointless.
evidence: We have never done it, whether it be jugs or bulk oil, and do not have any evidence to suggest that a lack of additive has caused problems.
2. Filling the filter seems to be pointless (esp in regard to helping the oil pump).
evidence: We have never done it. Dad may have back in the day on grain trucks at one point (BBC), but the filters were oriented in such a way that you weren't just pouring it back down your arm/on the floor.

Of course, evidence of "we haven't done it that way and have been fine" can be quite a slippery slope away from best practices. With a fleet of 8 tractors, loads of vehicles/trucks all being done this way for decades PLUS a lack of recommendation from manufacturers to give a shake, I say it's silly to worry about.

The red tractor is not self-shaking like a JD 2-cylinder, so of course it becomes more of a concern to get that oil mixed up. DUH!

New point: apple cider...I hate it when my mother-in-law doesn't shake the dang apple cider!
02-07-2019 07:10 AM
dwighty390
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Originally Posted by rip-tide View Post
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Originally Posted by dwighty390 View Post
By all means, if it makes someone feel better then they should do it. Same with filling an engine oil filter to "keep the pump from being dry."

I'm thinking of a way to shake my entire car for after it sits extended periods of time. I don't want those additive being missed for a second while they get stirred back up!
See you don't get it, if the additive is not there in the first place. Even a fool like me should realize that wont matter. ....DUH

If you are really worried shake your red tractor while you're at it...

Pep
I honestly can't tell if you are pro- or anti-shaking at this point, nor can I tell if you can tell which side of the fence I fell on may posts ago.

What exactly is it that I don't get?
02-07-2019 06:59 AM
rip-tide
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Originally Posted by dwighty390 View Post
By all means, if it makes someone feel better then they should do it. Same with filling an engine oil filter to "keep the pump from being dry."

I'm thinking of a way to shake my entire car for after it sits extended periods of time. I don't want those additive being missed for a second while they get stirred back up!
See you don't get it, if the additive is not there in the first place. Even a fool like me should realize that wont matter. ....DUH

If you are really worried shake your red tractor while you're at it...

Pep
02-06-2019 08:52 PM
CQNRQY
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That seems like decent logic if the filter is before the pump but is that common on any engines?
You got me thinking...
Oops,,,you got me on the location of the oil filter Is after the oil pump and my thought on pump cavitation would not apply to car engines.
However I remember some of the fords with the large fla1 filter would rattle till the filter filled up with oil if you installed an empty filter.
I'm just so used to filling filters when replacing them to avoid problems
Hydraulic pumps, deisel fuel filters , remote mounted bike filters ,hot rod engines.
02-06-2019 07:11 PM
dwighty390
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Originally Posted by rip-tide View Post
Sitting here reading, wondering who over the age of 10 does not know to fill an oil filter.

Never had a thought regarding additive separation and motor oil. The question has merit, shake the 2oz bottles of the fuel additive for 2cycle stuff, and flush with fuel . Shake B&M trick shift to mix the additives

I'll buy 10-20 cases of motor oil, changed in the HotRods when it turns medium too dark brown.

Never have used the speedometer to measure oil life.

Next change I going to have a look, let my eyes be my guide.

I say laugh all you like, the man just might have something here. How serious or how much damage could the affect be .. Who knows ...

Pep
By all means, if it makes someone feel better then they should do it. Same with filling an engine oil filter to "keep the pump from being dry."

I'm thinking of a way to shake my entire car for after it sits extended periods of time. I don't want those additive being missed for a second while they get stirred back up!
02-06-2019 06:55 PM
rip-tide Sitting here reading, wondering who over the age of 10 does not know to fill an oil filter.

Never had a thought regarding additive separation and motor oil. The question has merit, shake the 2oz bottles of the fuel additive for 2cycle stuff, and flush with fuel . Shake B&M trick shift to mix the additives

I'll buy 10-20 cases of motor oil, changed in the HotRods when it turns medium too dark brown.

Never have used the speedometer to measure oil life.

Next change I going to have a look, let my eyes be my guide.

I say laugh all you like, the man just might have something here. How serious or how much damage could the affect be .. Who knows ...

Pep
02-06-2019 06:04 PM
dwighty390
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Originally Posted by CQNRQY View Post
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Originally Posted by dwighty390 View Post
Now why on Earth would the pump be any drier after an oil change than it would have after any other normal period of inactivity?
When you replace the filter and don't put oil in it. You're relying on the pump to fill your filter up risking damage to your pump. You may run your pump dry until the filter fills with oil. It's Just a good practice that I learned working on hydraulic equipment.
That seems like decent logic if the filter is before the pump but is that common on any engines?
02-06-2019 05:39 PM
CQNRQY
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Originally Posted by dwighty390 View Post
Now why on Earth would the pump be any drier after an oil change than it would have after any other normal period of inactivity?
When you replace the filter and don't put oil in it. You're relying on the pump to fill your filter up risking damage to your pump. You may run your pump dry until the filter fills with oil. It's Just a good practice that I learned working on hydraulic equipment.
02-06-2019 02:21 PM
meborder
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Originally Posted by dwighty390 View Post
The same thing happens with beer. You should ALWAYS shake a beer vigorously before opening/pouring.
I something like that to one of my friends years ago on a road trip. he asked me to hand him a mt. dew from the cooler. so i gave it a vigorous shake right in front of him and handed it to him and said "here ya go!"

he paused for a second, looked at me and said "ha, ha, smart arse ... it's your car" and opened it up.

it would work with beer, too, though.
02-06-2019 02:17 PM
dwighty390
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Originally Posted by meborder View Post
Itís a thing and it can happen

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...Number=1043912

Whether you choose to acknowledge or do anything about it is up to you as an individual.

For me I shake them if they have been sitting a while

Ymmv
The same thing happens with beer. You should ALWAYS shake a beer vigorously before opening/pouring.
02-05-2019 10:08 AM
meborder
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Originally Posted by Old97 View Post
I don't know man, The most oil I have ever bought was like 6 cases. A drum? When I was at the MOPAR dealer way back in the 90s a drum of HDX diesel oil would last a year. Back before everyone thought you need a one ton dually to pull a pop up camper or a John boat. How long did it sit plus new drums would sit in plant 3 for like a year or 2.
It’s a thing and it can happen

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...Number=1043912

Whether you choose to acknowledge or do anything about it is up to you as an individual.

For me I shake them if they have been sitting a while

Ymmv
02-05-2019 08:26 AM
dwighty390
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Originally Posted by CQNRQY View Post
I've never even thought of shaking up the oil jug before using it.
I think it's more important to put some oil into the new oil filter so your oil pump doesn't run dry (cavitation prevention). Oh, and make sure you install the filter and pan plug before you poor in that thoroughly mixed oil...
Now why on Earth would the pump be any drier after an oil change than it would have after any other normal period of inactivity?
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