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05-27-2019 06:59 PM
gegcorp2012
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Originally Posted by CaptMike View Post
Looks like about everything you need to know has been covered quite well and in deal. Wonderful thing about this Forum

Yes, Thanks for all the useful info in line with this topic and all the work being documented in so many different categories.

I went today to HF to pick up a set of those panel clamps. Thanks for the reminder on them. I was trying to get 25% off the shrinker/spreader combo today, but they were sold out.
05-27-2019 06:58 PM
gegcorp2012 Trying to quote
05-26-2019 09:35 AM
CaptMike Looks like about everything you need to know has been covered quite well and in deal. Wonderful thing about this Forum !!

If you don't have the Panel Clamps, I highly recommend get a few plus a coupe of strong magnets. I use the panel clamps as much as possible to keep sections alignment and I make a few Tack's, they set the Gap perfectly.

I weld so infrequently that I brush up wit ha few YouTube videos, esp Mr TIG for TIG of course.

Same goes for Metal Working. If you've never watched a Lazzie (Lassie) Video's I highly recommend some evening sessions at his website. His Tips and Tricks are amazing, esp the Bead Roller and English Whee;

LAZZE Metal Shaping Classes and Videos

Good Luck
05-25-2019 06:17 PM
idrivejunk
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Originally Posted by gegcorp2012 View Post
Thanks for taking the time to do these. I still prefer the curved lip.

You can see why the 41 is considered ugly by some.... the car has some nice coup-y curves are that are flowing and in good proportion, but when you look at adjacent shapes from most any angle, you can find something that looks flabby or baggy nearby. The final thing for the rear 3/4 would be a little fender tuck to make the bottom of the rear fenders answer to the new proportions and flowing lines of the curved trunk lip.

This really helps me with a visual I can shoot for since I have work that needs to be done in the area.
No sweat, it was play time. I like the curved one much better too. Straight might be easier but as you pointed out, the body needs all the help it can get with visual flow in that area. Ford probably went with the skull knocker design because the alternatives aren't simple.

Maybe you can manipulate the modified images to suit you more readily as well.
05-25-2019 05:29 PM
gegcorp2012 Thanks for taking the time to do these. I still prefer the curved lip.

You can see why the 41 is considered ugly by some.... the car has some nice coup-y curves are that are flowing and in good proportion, but when you look at adjacent shapes from most any angle, you can find something that looks flabby or baggy nearby. The final thing for the rear 3/4 would be a little fender tuck to make the bottom of the rear fenders answer to the new proportions and flowing lines of the curved trunk lip.

This really helps me with a visual I can shoot for since I have work that needs to be done in the area.




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05-25-2019 12:24 PM
idrivejunk

05-25-2019 02:11 AM
gegcorp2012 Tried re-sizing the curved lip one to fix the rotation issue. I removed the bumper and duals, swapped the trunk latch and license plate around then dropped in the lights

Here is the stock one if you want to try some of that fancy cut and paste, I am sure it will look better.
05-25-2019 01:14 AM
gegcorp2012 Funny how things work out. Last night I went through about the same exercise, but using my phone to make a "photo chop" rendering.

I saw a nice 41 coupe at the Spring Rod Run in Pigeon Forge in April and took a few photos. This one is mostly original with the bumpers and stock tail lights and a trunk latch in the right pkace.

I picked the line at the top of the rear fenders, and put a horizontal strait cut there.

Also tried a curved cut to see how that looks.

My round lights are down into the bumper area, but shown a little higher here.

I rotated these to try to make them right, but they are all 90 degrees out, but you can see what I was thinking.

I think it looks ok with the stock lights but I think my 4" round lights with no bumper would be a little lower than in the drawing
05-24-2019 10:31 PM
idrivejunk Man...

I just wasn't picking up what you were laying down. Said it a hundred times... I usually do the right thing, given enough time.

This do anything for ya? I get splitting the lid now, and the head injury thing too. And chair. Look-



I split it up at the body side molding height and made iffy suggestions.

The pocket from my driver was first to come to mind. You could cut it out of the plastic bumper and trim it to fit over a big hole in the lower lid. I sized it up about like this to kinda see how big. Looks like it works out. Top pic is more of a guess. Plenty of those in the junkyard.



If it grabs you right or you want a change, say so. You asked so gently I didn't realize that a simple edited pic might help you out. But there ya go.
05-23-2019 09:46 PM
idrivejunk One A thought I had but never spoke was to make the trunk lid a quick-release panel and have another one that could be installed in it's place on fairgrounds or parade days that would function kind of like a rollercoaster cart. Where if you wanted to putt around town with head and shoulders sticking out of trunk, you could. But you'd have a lap belt on and the lid would close and latch over you. Thats kinda hillbilly, right? Be fun though. Nobody says you couldn't have an attachment for the lid that would make it a chair or sunshade, too. Its when stuff like Fox Mustang front ends are put on cars or trucks your era, for example, that get folks here going. Tradition is the rule of thumb, generally speaking. Intermingling of eras gets taboo. A metric era el Camino gate pocket might not raise any eyebrows but splitting a trunk lid might until you explain the head bumping. Personally, I don't like boundaries and have many wild ideas. But as a young'un pointed out once when I wanted to put a 66 GTO scoop on my GTP... "Its your car. But acceptance is relevant."

I think we all like things that are clever and unique, but we each have our individual tastes. Stick around, be yourself and make it like you want it.
05-23-2019 08:39 PM
gegcorp2012 OK, thanks for the nudge away from getting too weird or redneck as they say around here.

I picked up a trunk lid to cut some flat pieces and some sections of support frame since the entire bottom is gone or as strong as a piece of swiss cheese.

About 4-1/2" of the trunk skin and 2"-4" of the support frame needs repair in this case.

Thanks again for the help.

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05-23-2019 05:11 PM
idrivejunk Minivans, SUVs. You can have tail lights with backups, too. A rear facing camera could be incorporated wherever the tag is mounted but might work better in the back window. Before you go too far with rumble seating thoughts, check to see but on the A, for that to work, the hinge pivot has to be in space occupied by the tires. As far as swapping around body parts goes, the guys here have a lot of laughs at that usually. I searched google and found a 16 gauge recessed license pocket for under twenty bucks though. Its a very easy part to make, too.
05-23-2019 09:41 AM
gegcorp2012 I have always considered doing something different with the trunk lid, especially right after I stand up near it and gash my head on one of the sharp corners.

My first thought at that point is "I want to JUST CUT THIS THING OFF !"

Rounded corners would be a functional safety mod since I will be in the area... probably more of a challenge is where to make the rounded inside corner shapes on the lower parts where the roll pan ties into the body. Would have to noodle on that and see some pics if you know of any.

So I also thought about a rumble seat, it would be cool to ride in, but I dont see that happening because I will be driving all the time.

So I was looking at the recessed license plate on the @idrivejunk model A work in progress and really like that.

I have a backup camera and would like to integrate the backup camera and some good LED backup lights in the trunk lid somewhere without making those items too noticable. (they are currently on the bolt on license plate light/bracket)

Today, I was thinking about what kind of vehicles have a shape where I could use parts 80% of the part or shape, and I thought of an El Camino tailgate.

I like trucks, and also like having a place to sit while hanging out or tailgating (LOL). If I were to take the most vertical section of the trunk lid off and replace that with a narrowed Elky tailgate, it would get rid of the sharp trunk edges on the part of the trunk that hooks downward When opened, and make the trunk lid lighter, while providing a place to sit and it would preserve the limited space in the trunk by eliminating the need to carry 2 chairs.

Only thing is.... the 87-ish El Camino tailgate is not bowed as much as the back of the 41. However, I do have some tubing that acts as a spreader for the rear part of the body that is sturdy enough to mount hinges to...

Other donor vehicle ideas ?

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05-23-2019 05:53 AM
idrivejunk
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Good stuff! Thanks for taking the time to do that as you have for me, thanks so much.

Brian
Even in person, I don't hesitate to draw things out for speed in conveying an idea because as above, using words almost always takes longer than the due attention span. Being a slow starter myself, I know that having instructions or a list of steps is often most helpful to get someone through to a point where the theory is evident and they can take off running and dismiss the "book learning" and begin replacing that with experience.
05-23-2019 05:42 AM
idrivejunk
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@idrivejunk : Thanks for taking the time to explain the process. The drawing really helps !


@John Long : I do not have permissions to use that link, but will keep trying. I searched in the My Rides section, but did not find there.

Regards, Gary
You are welcome, really helping is my favorite forum thing to do. I know thats not all there is to it but angle strips are the launching pad for the rest. Latch mounting is another matter but a rule of thumb with a curved lid like that is to point the striker at an imaginary line between the hinge pins. I went through that recently on the Model A but couldn't say what page it is on.

John's thread is in the body section and he is directing you to page 178. If when you tap or click the link, it doesn't go there... try right-clicking it or a long press rather than tap. Select open in new tab from the options that should then appear. Then switch to that tab. This forum's links are odd like that for me, but no special permission is required here to view pics and such. You don't even have to log in to see.

If using a mobile device, tapping the three stacked dots icon at upper right then selecting desktop site, for me, makes the site work as expected.

Remember that making pieces in poster board first is a good way to know much more about the shape needed before cutting any steel. You can even bend it in the brake. And that with practice and some tips from John's thread you may be able to make more complex pieces with less seams. How to do the seams (butted vs overlapped and plug welded) is a matter of what you feel comfortable with.

I certainly haven't covered it all here but do hope its the boost you need to envision the parts. Feel free to question us further should the need arise. Most of all, enjoy the project and the improvements you can make.

Have fun.

Matt
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