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06-16-2019 10:08 PM
idrivejunk
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Originally Posted by ericnova72 View Post
Oh well.....I was enjoying seeing what might develop.

Very hard to second guess GM designers, especially if you ever look at old photos of some of the dozens of engineering clay models they do to arrive at a final design....and that's after 10 times as many sketches and doodles are passed around.
Oh well yep, it would take 3 or 4 people with time and inclination to study on it and others would think its an Australian or Canadian variant if seen on the road, if I did come up with something. Heaven forbid that I'd mess with things from before me, thats a would-be designer's greatest mistake. I know how it is with bodywork experimentation, the risk of humiliation is too high for me to publicly explore that path without sufficient guidance around the faux pas ideas while using the shotgun approach. I didn't think that would be the need, and its too much work also.

So as you said, many doodles. But on my own. I have learned how many by practicing photo edits for jobs at work and forum dudes. Working with other people's ideas is fun but can be a challenge. My own concept will continue to incubate in the dark.
06-16-2019 11:31 AM
ericnova72 Oh well.....I was enjoying seeing what might develop.

Very hard to second guess GM designers, especially if you ever look at old photos of some of the dozens of engineering clay models they do to arrive at a final design....and that's after 10 times as many sketches and doodles are passed around.
06-16-2019 05:41 AM
idrivejunk Yeah, I'm not looking to create a fastback just because they didn't make one. And the edit is a clash but I see potential. Actually, using the CS quarter tops would probably look better but I ain't changing away from the 68-9 window shape on that car. Other way around, maybe.

Its plain to see theres no interest in this idea or thread and I don't stand to gain any valid input other than to maybe get corrected when I haven't said a wrong thing. So I'll keep it to myself. Thanks for talking it over with me but I don't think my concept is even explainable to other humans. It is bound to fail no matter what though, I see that.

Backing away slow and quiet.
06-16-2019 02:05 AM
ericnova72 Not a true enough fastback to satisfy me...but you don't have any viable examples to rob from in the GM stable except the Bill Thomas Chevy II's.







The tail of the rear quarter on that '69 rendering I can live with, but it doesn't work with that rear roof line IMO...needs something like the formal roof of the '70-72 Cutlass Supreme.




Another interesting rendering that never existed:

06-15-2019 10:26 PM
idrivejunk I won't spit hairs. Didn't even make it that far. Of all the roofline switcheroos I tried today, nothing was working out . This was the only thing that caught my eye enough to make a presentable pic-


Thats the tops of same year GP quarters and extensions. Suddenly, fastback! Thats how it struck me anyhow. A little. Windows and roof are unchanged. It was just interesting, no great whoopie but theres a start.
06-15-2019 07:52 PM
ericnova72 They are slightly different, the back edge won't match the door because the door has a hint of the "muscle bulge" body line on the front 6" or so of the door.

Car I saw pictures of, the door was reskinned with a '68-69 skin.

I think that was the only difference, but there might have been some difference up front at the headlight extension.
****yep, quick search says the fender extensions are different too.
06-15-2019 04:05 PM
idrivejunk
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Originally Posted by ericnova72 View Post
I've seen the '68-69 Chevelle fender lip/wheel arch styling put on the '70 Chevelle...it looks really good, IMO better than the stock 70-72 profile.
'70-72 El Camino and Wagons still used the '68-69 wheel opening design, so that made the 70 Chevelle swap easy on the front to just use Wagon fenders, then the guy grafted '69 rear quarters onto the '70 body.
Look at a '72 El Camino and then a '72 Chevelle and you'll spot the difference easier.
I never thought about that, even though I had a 68 and a 72. Interesting! Seems like I recall hearing that Camino fenders were different somehow. Wheel lips were pretty much rotted off the 72 SS. Off to look at examples and ponder.
06-15-2019 03:56 PM
ericnova72 I've seen the '68-69 Chevelle fender lip/wheel arch styling put on the '70 Chevelle...it looks really good, IMO better than the stock 70-72 profile.
'70-72 El Camino and Wagons still used the '68-69 wheel opening design, so that made the 70 Chevelle swap easy on the front to just use Wagon fenders, then the guy grafted '69 rear quarters onto the '70 body.
Look at a '72 El Camino and then a '72 Chevelle and you'll spot the difference easier.
06-15-2019 02:33 PM
idrivejunk Heres a 71 1/2 GT-37 and a 68 SS as eye treats. Somebody done snatched the lid off that red six-fo.



06-15-2019 02:25 PM
idrivejunk
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Yeah, I'm no fan of the "789" either, it was just the only whole car of mixed concept that came too my mind.

The above 3 questions...hmmm.

#1 - for me a toss-up between Chevelle with the functioning cowl induction flapper and the Cutlass dual hump 442 hood with open scoops. '73 GTO is an interesting twist....but the car should have gotten a Shaker , like the '74 GTO.

#2 - '63-65 Chevy or '62 Bonneville/Catalina

#3 - in order for me...'73 GTO/Lemans, '73 Laguna S-3, '73 Grand Am in a pretty tight battle that could change day-to-day then a good ways back to 4th place '73 Cutlass... and a mile back to '73 Buick Century just blah.
I get stumped on best hood. My sentiments exactly on the 73 and 74 GTO. I put a 74 GTO hood on my 71 Ventura.

But, me being me, in '73 A-body Grand Prix has it. If it had 73 GTO scoops. Hey, now see theres an idea, GTO hood middle section on a GP.

73 Monte ain't too shabby. We had a 73 Laguna in high school and for me it might be behind the Monte.

The 68-74 X body has fewer features to play with but some of them are really cool looking.
06-15-2019 01:56 PM
ericnova72
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Originally Posted by idrivejunk View Post
Which 68-72 A body has the coolest hood?

Which 62-67 B body has the coolest tail lights?

Which 73 A body has the coolest front end?
Yeah, I'm no fan of the "789" either, it was just the only whole car of mixed concept that came too my mind.

The above 3 questions...hmmm.

#1 - for me a toss-up between Chevelle with the functioning cowl induction flapper and the Cutlass dual hump 442 hood with open scoops. '73 GTO is an interesting twist....but the car should have gotten a Shaker , like the '74 GTO.

#2 - '63-65 Chevy or '62 Bonneville/Catalina

#3 - in order for me...'73 GTO/Lemans, '73 Laguna S-3, '73 Grand Am in a pretty tight battle that could change day-to-day then a good ways back to 4th place '73 Cutlass... and a mile back to '73 Buick Century just blah.
06-15-2019 12:03 PM
idrivejunk
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I assume you are thinking something along the lines of the "7-8-9" concept car, the mash-up of '57, '58, and '59 Chevy Impala styling on a modern corvette chassis??





Just something more inclusive to all the GM brands mixed together??

Or just wanting to move certain styling trends or specific elements like hood scoops across the brand lines and see what might look decent??

Sorry, had to take the 789 pics out! Ew, no. Not that. Last sentence, yes. Exactly.

I would rather not mix eras. I did give some thought to the breakdown of years. And I dd say drop a 64 Imp lid on a 54 which would be in violation of the "rules" according to my own cutoff year choices. To see if anybody was listening. Incidentally, I just tried that and used a 48 Chevy coupe. I stopped, thinking no that might work better on a 54.

Then I took a 70 Monte and tried a Cutlass Supreme's quarter window openings and back window angle on it. The proportions are a little off but hey that looked good! Then I tried same on a Grand Prix and no no no.

I currently have a 66 GTO roofline hovering over a GP. And next is to try 68-9 Chevelle rear roof stuff on other stuff.

So thats what I am up to. If we stuck to 68-72 A body, my favorite, answers like I would like could say:

Chevy SS cowl induction hood, Buick GSX chin spoiler, Olds base Cutlass body, Judge rear spoiler.

Or

Chevelle tail lights, Buick GS wheels, 442 front end, Grand Prix door handles.

Appearance features. Things that may or may not bolt up but only things that come from cars from other divisions in nearby years.

I guess it IS a loaded question. Seemed simple when thought of it. Name the cool elements and leave imagining them mixed together to me. Lets try it another way...



Which 68-72 A body has the coolest hood?

Which 62-67 B body has the coolest tail lights?

Which 73 A body has the coolest front end?
06-15-2019 11:09 AM
ericnova72 I assume you are thinking something along the lines of the "7-8-9" concept car, the mash-up of '57, '58, and '59 Chevy Impala styling on a modern corvette chassis??





Just something more inclusive to all the GM brands mixed together??

Or just wanting to move certain styling trends or specific elements like hood scoops across the brand lines and see what might look decent??
06-15-2019 08:10 AM
idrivejunk FREE 11' POLES!!!

Right here by the door, a whole barrel of them. For those who won't touch the topic wirh a ten foot pole. Just don't make it like the axe handle scene from Pale Rider.
06-14-2019 09:50 PM
idrivejunk
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Originally Posted by ericnova72 View Post
Similar to you, '71-73Chevelle and 70-73 Camaro, especially the RS version...but I also really like the '68-69 Camaro RS front end treatment, the headlight doors....I pretty much like any car with them...Ford, Mercury, Chevy, Buick, Pontiac....even the big full size cars that had it like the '68-69 Caprice, '68-70 Ford Galaxie, '70-71 Plymouth Fury III.
I love the inverse cove and taillight shape of the '67-68 Mustang, very stylish(and the Shelby sequential tail lights), the headlight doors on the Cougars, '70-71 Torino
'70-71 Torino is an all around great looking car.
'68-70 AMX/Javelin are really showing today how great and timeless their design was.
I love anything fastback...Torino, Galaxie, Mustang, Dodge Charger '66-67, ANC Marlin, '68 Impala sorta-fastback, '68-69 Barracuda....In my opinion Chevrolet really missed the boat on no having a serious fastback option on either the Chevy II(look up the Bill Thomas Fastback to see what I mean) for '63-65, '66-67 Nova, and for the '67- 69 Camaro or the '66-67 Chevelle.
If there is a fastback version of something, it automatically slays the coupe version of the same car IMO.

I also love the 71-73 Mustang fastback "flatroof", the one the Ford guys often don't care much for. Mustang fastback = cool, coupe = yuck.

'70-73 Firebird/TA/Formula is also a favorite, great looking front end sister to the RS Camaro.
'73-74 Chevelle Laguna S-3 are super cool(with there were more of those)….even the '75-76 version is growing on me., as are '73-74 Lemans and Grand Am, and the '77 Can Am(wish there were more of these, so cool).

A lot of the 1970-1980 Australian stuff is really cool too, you can spot the design similarity of thought for each make compared to US cars, and there are some awesome shapes over there.
Stacked headlights churn my nads no matter what they are on. Four headlights always look better than two. Convertibles I just say I'll pass but I like some post coupes as opposed to hardtops. For me, some front ends can do hidden headlights but some just look like cave fish that way. Not trying to be wishy-washy but same with fastback models. I'm with most of your Ford thoughts but this is all about GM.

My concept in it's purest form is "the ultimate" (in looks and strength) 68-72 A-body. But for B and X bodies it is also an interesting train of thought. F bodies only represent two brands and I'd like to see elements or obvious influences from all four. On one ride. The earlier eras are equally valid for applying that concept.

Could a 70-2 Monte look better with Cutlass Supreme quarters, same years? Could a Judge look better with 68-9 Chevelle quarters? What if you plopped a 64 Impala roof onto 54 Chevy? Would the tunneled rear window from 66-7s look good on anything 70-2? How does a Chevelle look with a 442 hood with the nose smoothed out?

It goes on and on, and its bigger than my imagination. So I am looking to whittle out some potentially popular things to try via photo surgery. Because there are them who only want the expected, repeated well... but then theres the rest of us who like no rules.

We might hit on something cool, but not if we don't think about it. When I think about it more, I stonewall on which brand I want for the engine. So its best to just assume LS swap for the sake of this conversation.
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