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02-29-2008 08:36 PM
NEW INTERIORS The LINCOLN Pro 175 is a very good machine,That's the one I have,I really like that little machine.
02-29-2008 08:32 PM
awert
thinking about a welder

I guess i got lucky, but i bought a LINCOLN Pro 175, on ebay about 3 years ago, great welder, not as good as my old LINDY, but brand new and i paid $190. That included shipping. The seller had 1 feed back. I was the only one that bid. I was really sweating it to....Heck of a deal. Last year i bought at a closing auction, 12 LINCOLN AC/DC + - Dial-a-ark stick welders, paid 500 for all, I had to cannibalize one for parts, they all worked good, sold them for anywheres from 90 to 300 bucks each . So there out there, I got a strange story on my Plasma cutter to, Next time....
02-27-2008 01:50 AM
grouch I bought a 110V Lincoln flux-core welder (no easy way to add gas) before getting advice from folks here. It was ok for light-duty, ugly stuff. After finding this place, I posted some photos of my attempts to weld sheet metal with the flux-core wire and got immediate feedback. As a result of that feedback, I bought a "refurbished" 220V Harbor Freight wire-feed MIG and rented a tank. (It's probably not a reasonable machine for anyone doing a lot of MIG work, but it's fine for what I do). The difference was incredible. I never managed to get a good weld on thin stuff with the flux-core. It didn't take but a few tries with the solid wire and gas, using the remote coaching I got here.

My suggestion, if not already too late (I've only read the first couple of pages of this thread so far), is that you get a true MIG and not even consider the flux-core-only welders. I can only guess at the difference between the higher quality MIGs and the one I got, but I know the difference between flux- and solid-core, 110V vs. 220V. BTW, there was very little difference in price between the Lincoln "Handy-Weld" (flux only) and the refurbished HF -- about $60, including plug and receptacle. The Lincoln came from a local store, the HF came from HF.
02-24-2008 05:32 PM
timothale
weld tanks

there are 2 suppliers about 20 miles away the bigger company didn't want to exchange my co2 and they only fill twice a week the biggerst company didn't have exchange tanks for my Acety bottle so i now deal with the smaller company.. co2 argon oxy acety and propane is what i use the customer owned tanks are painted a different color at both places and they will exchange and if they don't have the size to exchange they put it on the invoice and the next time i go in i get the bigger tank the size i own . It sounds like it's time to find another place.
02-24-2008 02:09 PM
adtkart I ran into a strange deal a couple of weeks ago on a gas cylender. We have a couple of places that specialize in welding supplies and gas. The one that I normally deal with has higher prices than the other one, so I figured when I wanted to get a tank of gas for TIG welding, I'd go with the other one. I called to get information on getting a tank. The guy told me that it would take a couple of days to get a credit check done. I ask him about buying a tank. He told me that they will sell them full, but when they are empty, they won't fill them. He said that the tanks they sell have "customer owned" on them, and they only fill their own tanks.

Aaron
02-24-2008 09:10 AM
oldred I found it odd that they would have 3 phase equipment for rent there everything I have seen is for a small shop or home use but maybe they have a market for it. The correct terminology would be "flux welder" or at least that's become the common term although it's not uncommon to call them "inner-shield" welders but that is a Lincoln trade name. MIG is used to denote an inert gas welding process and it is very misleading to call a flux welder a MIG which had already happened a couple of times in this thread. The terminology is important and more than once someone has asked for help with their "MIG" but after someone else has gone into detail about dealing with problems related to MIG we have found they were not talking about a MIG at all. Also getting the terminology wrong can convey the wrong message when talking about welding and could become a problem in some cases, such as a job interview maybe? When I ran my shop we once had to redo a job because one of the guys insisted on calling all wire feed welders "MIG" and this led to a mis-understanding that cost me several thousand dollars that time so it does make a difference.


Actually the term MIG is somewhat misleading when using CO2 or C25 because these are "active" gases thus the term MAG welder is used in some tech articles, in this case the welder is the same just a different gas (a true inert gas) is used.
02-23-2008 09:54 PM
75gmck25 The Millermatic 135 from NationsRent has a gas solenoid valve, but the rental does not include a tank of shielding gas. It is a MIG welder (or MIG capable), but can be used without gas. I'm not quite sure of the right terminology for a MIG welder when you don't use any gas - just a flux core wire feed welder?
The main point I was trying to make is that you can easily rent a 110v welder, which might be a better choice for infrequent use.

The Miller CP-302 is listed as 3 phase welder. Some folks rent these welders for commercial applications, and I assume they must have 3 phase power. NationsRent is not limited to items for the residential market.

Bruce
02-23-2008 09:10 PM
oldred It,s about $35 dollars here and you will have to wait on the tank.
02-23-2008 07:43 PM
Chevrolet4x4s
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Originally Posted by oldred
Better keep an eye on that test date! If you keep refilling the same bottle you may end up with an expired test date and you will be out the expen$e of getting it re-certified before anyone will refill it. That's also another thing all you guys need to watch for if you use your tanks infrequently and they sit around for a long time. When you take one in for an exchange be sure and check the test date stamped in the top of the bottle and make sure it is recent. If it is about to expire and you plan on keeping the bottle for a while have them give you a different one.
around here a test is $10 IIRC
Shane
02-23-2008 02:02 PM
oldred [QUOTE=7 CP-302 (220 3 phase) flux-type mig (no gas). Bruce[/QUOTE]


Are you sure about that 230 3 phase? I can't imagine them renting a 3 phase machine, that's industrial power and 3 phase is not found at a residence. Also there is no such thing as a "flux-type MIG", a flux core welder is just that a flux core welder it is NOT a MIG! Just because a welder is a wire feed type machine does not make it MIG! (M)etal (I)nert (G)as There simply is no such thing as a "gas-less" MIG.
02-23-2008 10:31 AM
75gmck25 If you think you can get by with a 110v welder, and you don't need it often, why not just rent it when you need it? The rental place that is inside Lowe's (NationsRent) rents a couple of welders. Their web site shows a Millermatic 135 (110v) and a Miller CP-302 (220 3 phase) flux-type mig (no gas). They also have several engine-driven portable welders, but I'm sure they are pricey to rent.

Bruce
02-22-2008 09:20 PM
oldred
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Minis
That sucks. When I buy here I have to take it back to the same place. But they have many bottles on hand. But I make a fuss if they try to give me another bottle. "I just bought a $350 bottle, all nice and new and you are trying to give me that beat up one in return? I don't think so, fill mine up, I will wait." They don't like it, but I paid for that bottle, I want mine filled. Especially with my 220 CF bottle. They don't carry that size, so they try to give me a 200 CF. I wouldn't accept it, that means someone else is going to get my bottle and then what? Either give me a 250 and call ti even or fill mien up while I watch.

Better keep an eye on that test date! If you keep refilling the same bottle you may end up with an expired test date and you will be out the expen$e of getting it re-certified before anyone will refill it. That's also another thing all you guys need to watch for if you use your tanks infrequently and they sit around for a long time. When you take one in for an exchange be sure and check the test date stamped in the top of the bottle and make sure it is recent. If it is about to expire and you plan on keeping the bottle for a while have them give you a different one.
02-22-2008 03:41 PM
Twisted Minis
Quote:
Originally Posted by NEW INTERIORS
Trust me!! I know what it is like to weld for a liven.I have been welding for about 25 years now.I should of bought me a bottle a long time ago,But here, you have to return it,They send it off to get it refilled,Then you have to go get it when they call you.No time to wait.
That sucks. When I buy here I have to take it back to the same place. But they have many bottles on hand. But I make a fuss if they try to give me another bottle. "I just bought a $350 bottle, all nice and new and you are trying to give me that beat up one in return? I don't think so, fill mine up, I will wait." They don't like it, but I paid for that bottle, I want mine filled. Especially with my 220 CF bottle. They don't carry that size, so they try to give me a 200 CF. I wouldn't accept it, that means someone else is going to get my bottle and then what? Either give me a 250 and call ti even or fill mien up while I watch.
02-22-2008 02:27 PM
duncan_m
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldred
IDuncan, That's bad is it some kind of law or just supplier policy?
Supplier policy, an all together too cozy duopoly.

Dunc.
02-22-2008 10:40 AM
oldred I have found Tractor Supply and Northern Tool be a really good place to get your gas, they both deal with the same gas supplier. You buy the tank in any size you need and when it's empty just return it for exchange, even on Sundays!

Duncan, That's bad is it some kind of law or just supplier policy?
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