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Old 07-16-2019, 05:47 AM
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Roller cam button

Looking for a good way to "hold" the cam button on the cam when installing the cam cover. Will grease work?
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Old 07-16-2019, 06:37 AM
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Looking for a good way to "hold" the cam button on the cam when installing the cam cover. Will grease work?

The retainer plate holds it in.

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It doesn't have a retainer plate.
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Real, O.G. Vaseline is Petroleum Jelly. Its petroleum based and melts into oils easily without leaving any nastiness.
Lubriplate 109 is great, if your camshaft lube is thick, that'll probably work.
I'm assuming you mean to stick it in place long enough to put the reinforced timing cover on and cinch it down. I'd want something that melts and dissolves easily, not like axle grease that never seems to go away.
FYI new process gear used petroleum jelly for manual transmission and transfercases assemblies for decades. Its totally acceptable
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:23 AM
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It doesn't have a retainer plate.

Buy one:

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The retainer plate holds it in.

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Looking for a good way to "hold" the cam button on the cam when installing the cam cover. Will grease work?
SBC? Never seen a cam button like the one in your pic.

https://www.google.com/search?q=comp...LLQXebYNwdwMM:

All of mine have looked like the Comp 202 or 207. I've used the plastic one and the bearing setup. They all have had to been machined to get the correct clearance.
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I talked with comp cams, it's their cam and they said retainer plate, grease or Vaseline. Guess I'll go with Vaseline.
Guess I should have mentioned it's a Dart 434 with a special grind comp cams roller cam.
Notice the button and spacer. Don't see how a retainer plate would hold the button?
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:52 AM
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Well, it's your build. But if it were me, I'd go with THIS.
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I think by retainer plate, they mean use one instead of the cam button, you install the cam and bolt the retainer plate to the block to hold the cam in, then install the cam gear vs using the button pressing on the timing cover. Flat tappet cams don't need any of this as the lobes are ground in a way to keep the cam pulled to the back of the motor, rollers will work their way out the front. You can only use a retaining plate if the cam has a step nose face vs a flat face.


What's pictured is the locking plate used to hold the cam gear bolts in and keep them from backing out. I'd highly highly recommend using one, cheap life saving insurance.


But, Vaseline should hold the button while you put the cover on, or even moly grease like used to lube a flat tappet cam, it's thick and sticky.


Hopefully you have a stout cover that won't flex from the cam trying to come out, it can reek havoc.
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Old 07-17-2019, 09:09 PM
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I think by retainer plate, they mean use one instead of the cam button, you install the cam and bolt the retainer plate to the block to hold the cam in, then install the cam gear vs using the button pressing on the timing cover. Flat tappet cams don't need any of this as the lobes are ground in a way to keep the cam pulled to the back of the motor, rollers will work their way out the front. You can only use a retaining plate if the cam has a step nose face vs a flat face.


What's pictured is the locking plate used to hold the cam gear bolts in and keep them from backing out. I'd highly highly recommend using one, cheap life saving insurance.


But, Vaseline should hold the button while you put the cover on, or even moly grease like used to lube a flat tappet cam, it's thick and sticky.


Hopefully you have a stout cover that won't flex from the cam trying to come out, it can reek havoc.

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Never seen that before, but that's for sure better than the grease deal, won't come out at all. Kills two birds with one stone.
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Fang16, the fat button you've got may not fit a retainer plate.....all the buttons I've used with a retainer plate were the chimney style like GregT posted, either aluminum, nylon, or roller bearing.

Last full size fat one like that I saw was with a Pete Jackson Floating Dual Idler craptastic Gear drive.

Really doesn't matter if you "glue" it in there and use wheel bearing grease that won't melt away.....the back end of the button is not an area that needs oil lubrication anyway, so if the grease is still there 5 years from now it won't matter one bit.
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Fang16, the fat button you've got may not fit a retainer plate.....all the buttons I've used with a retainer plate were the chimney style like GregT posted, either aluminum, nylon, or roller bearing.

Last full size fat one like that I saw was with a Pete Jackson Floating Dual Idler craptastic Gear drive.

Really doesn't matter if you "glue" it in there and use wheel bearing grease that won't melt away.....the back end of the button is not an area that needs oil lubrication anyway, so if the grease is still there 5 years from now it won't matter one bit.
That's kind of what I was thinking but wanted to ask. The motor has been used and I found it interesting that there is a rust looking spot on the button and no wear marks on the aluminum timing cover.
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That's kind of what I was thinking but wanted to ask. The motor has been used and I found it interesting that there is a rust looking spot on the button and no wear marks on the aluminum timing cover.
It may be the button is not long enough for the cover that you have....SBC buttons are available in 2 or 3 different lengths just for that reason.
You need to check cam end play with the cover, gasket, and button you pan to use to be certain it isn't too much or too little.
Virtually every one I've ever done needs either the button shortened or shimmed, or the cover machined with a relief to get the clearance right.

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