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Old 01-10-2005, 07:50 AM
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If you can't spray some primer on it immediately I would suggest washing the surface with Metal Ready...
http://www.por15.com/product.asp?productid=177
I use it to remove surface rust as well and it does protect the surface from re-rusting if you wipe it on and DON"T rinse it off...
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Old 01-12-2005, 07:59 AM
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After reading this thread about rust removal I have one question.
(I hope this isn't a dumb one) after sanding all the paint off a
panel I usually wipe it with wax remover and prime imediately,
do I need to do something else before priming?
And if not then why can't surface rust (the light stuff) on
flat panels just be run over with a sander with fine paper
and forget the navel jelly and rinsing and all?
Wouldn't that be easier?
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what primer are you using?

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awesome tutorial thx for doing it
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Randy this is a great post!!! Like willys said this can't get lost, to valuable. Are there any rules on downloading this or any other of these threads, I would like to print Randy's, Martinsr's and Centerlines, just so they don't get lost in the shuffle and also so I have them in my shop so I don't have to run in here and pop the computer on to read. Could someone please get back to me on this. thanks
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Old 01-13-2005, 04:55 AM
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what primer are you using?
I use an epoxy etching primer on the bare metal then my
normal 2k primer over that.
I use to use a single stage etching primer first but my
2k primer didn't adhere very well and I was told to always
use an epoxy etching if your topping with a epoxy primer.
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well you are going about it the right way.. now, the surface rust that you are describing may be different from what im thinking. if its only sat a couple days i guess D/Aing it will be fine.

At the moment im restoring a 66' GTO that was repainted about 10 years ago maybe less and when i was stripping the paint i realized that there were specs of rust all over under the paint. they werent visible from the outside but this car was also garage kept since the repaint ten years ago and hasnt seen heavy rain since.

The second i saw the rust dots i figured someone just D/Aed the surface rust and painted over it. So if i were you i would atleast take the 5 minutes to get that little bit of rust of with naval jelly or even metal conditioner will work on it and if ur using and etching primer d/a the baremetal again after u use the naval jelly. then spray and you will be good to go.





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I use an epoxy etching primer on the bare metal then my
normal 2k primer over that.
I use to use a single stage etching primer first but my
2k primer didn't adhere very well and I was told to always
use an epoxy etching if your topping with a epoxy primer.
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Centerline, this is one of the most important threads here, if you are going to make something "sticky" this is the one!
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Once the naval jelly has removed the rust and you're left with a pitted but clean surface like on Kev's roof, will body lead stick to the converted surface?

On deeply pitted areas that are nearly black and very hard, what is this material? The naval jelly doesn't seem to clean that at all until it's been dislodged with a wire brush like Kev is using, no mater how patient one waits.
.The surface isnt converted,the rust is gone and whats left behind is fresh metal.Ive found that the black,hard spots are rust holes.When I need to do a spot on an incline I mix Navel Jelly with a 50-50 soultion of the SAFE acid,I wont use anything that will eat holes in the car ,and let it sit.The Navel Jelly will thicken up the solution.Using muratic? acid is just too nuts.As far as rust converters go this is just a halfass attempt to fix something as far as im concerned.Why convert it,make it gone.Ive used my process severel times and it always works.
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As far as very minor surface rust on a panel that was just stripped and sitting awhile before a primer coat,I use a scuff pad and some alcohol.On the Cadillac quarter in the picture,I stripped the paint and it sat outside for 3 weeks before I had a chance to get any primer on it.After a week outside it started to rust so I just scrubbed it with a scuff pad,soap and water and dried it.
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I use a wire wheel in a straight grinder.Then I use phosphoric acid,you can buy it at home depot.Works great.Then I wipe it down with wash thinner.
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I would like to print Randy's, Martinsr's and Centerlines, just so they don't get lost in the shuffle and also so I have them in my shop so I don't have to run in here and pop the computer on to read. Could someone please get back to me on this. thanks
I would say you could copy it but just give credit where credit is due. Those guys work hard to type it so a pat on the back to all is in order.

BTW I stuck this thread at the top of the forum for a while. Good Stuff!!!

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Old 01-30-2005, 02:59 PM
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If I didn't want my information used, I wouldn't post it!!!

Copy all you want of what I've written. Like Kevin said, a little credit goes a long way!!!

I believe you will find in the tutorial I posted on dent repair, that the majority of it was written by a dear friend of mine, Wray Schelin. Giving him credit was the 'right' thing to do. I could easily have taken credit for it, but it wasn't mine to take. It's always best to take the ethical route.

I appreciate you asking.

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