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Old 04-07-2009, 11:44 AM
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Strange grinding noise when I try to turn over. Vid inside

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Now that I finally have a car in my garage I will probably be asking tons of questions. for a describtion: 1954 chevy 210 2door sedan. Original inline 6 engine, 235ci with the powerglide automatic transmission.

Video is attached here:
http://rides.webshots.com/video/3020...00701182CzPoUx

Listean to the noise when I try and turn the engine over. Do you have any idea where this might be coming from? The noise I am talking about starts at the 16sec point in the video. I think it's the starter.

how can I fix this? The engine has 353,000 miles on it but I know it runs. I have driven the car a few times before. I just want to get it running good enough to move it in and out of the garage while I am working on it.

What is an inexpensive way to fix this problem?
Thanks for any advise.

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Old 04-07-2009, 11:50 AM
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The starter bendix is not engaging the ring gear on the flywheel. Have the starter rebuilt or trade it in at your favorite local auto parts retailer.
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My stupid internet connection sucks so bad, that I can't play your video. I would think that the car has been sitting a while and that the starter drive or the shaft that it is on may have rusted and the drive gear is not sliding all the way out. I would take the starter off and have a look at that. Taking starters apart and refurbishing them is not hard to do.

Just a question too......How do you know there is 353,000 miles on it?.......The odometers on the old cars just go to 100,000 and then start over........Are you sure it's not 35,300.0?.....The odometers show 1/10s of a mile.
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It's the starter alright. it's not engaging, so it's time to either rebuild the old one (kits around my area are about $15-20 last time I looked), or buy a new one. There is one option I've done in the past with mixed luck, however. You can "gently" hit it with a hammer to try getting it to work.


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"You can "gently" hit it with a hammer to try getting it to work."

If that doesn't work, use a bigger hammer.

Just kidding. I've banged on 'em with a hammer myself. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Starters aren't that expensive though. This is the one for your car.....
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My buddy saw the video and think its the starter solenoid. He had recommended that I take the solenoid off and go to a pep boys to have it checked.

I'll give ti a few bangs with a hammer and see how that works. I wouldn't mind rebuilding it just for fun. I really just need to be able to move the car in and out of the garage while I work on it.
Im not sure if I want to keep the engine or put in a V8, so I'd hate to start throwing in a lot of money into this engine assuming that I am just goignt o yank it out.

Poncho62: "Just a question too......How do you know there is 353,000 miles on it?.......The odometers on the old cars just go to 100,000 and then start over........Are you sure it's not 35,300.0?.....The odometers show 1/10s of a mile."

Good call on that one. I forget about that.

Also, do you guys known where I can buy or find a service manual for this engine? I'm not use to these old cars so I would like to be able to locate and identify the parts easier.
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definitly sounds like the starter drive not kicking in. cole
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I would pull the starter and test it on the floor. It almost sounds like the drive is slipping. A new drive is not a big deal to install. The drive may also be binding on the shaft and not being allowed to engage all the way.
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hi there
starter drive bendix

like 15 bucks
easy to replace

tapping on it with hammer works for a little while

good luck!

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Are you sure it's not 35,300.0?.....The odometers show 1/10s of a mile.
It would be entirely plausible that the odo has turned over once.

That would put the mileage at 135,300.

A 35K car would have only some wear on the brake and clutch pedal, 135K will show a lot more wear.

Same deal w/the driver's side upholstery, at 135K the springs could be showing and/or piping worn through.

The sill plate can be looked at, compare the drivers side to the passengers side. Close to same wear would indicate less mileage than one that was worn through.

This isn't close to "scientific" by any means, but can give some hint to the actual mileage.
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How about some more pictures when you get it outside of the rest of your project.
I think you will have plenty of fun keeping the 6.
Lots of other bwork to do I am sure and you can ALWAYS change to a V8 later.
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The video also sounds like the battery does not have a full charge since it was turning so slowly. The starter may also have worn out brushes as well as the bendix. If it was mine I would just replace the complete starter, charge the battery and be done with it.

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The video also sounds like the battery does not have a full charge since it was turning so slowly. The starter may also have worn out brushes as well as the bendix. If it was mine I would just replace the complete starter, charge the battery and be done with it.

Charles
I think the battery might be taking a crap. Because it doesnt hold much of a charge. But, with regards to the video. I had already been trying to turn the car over so the battery might have been a little low. But, I agree there is definitely something wrong with the battery or the charging system.

Like I said. For now, I just need to start it up and move it around much easier than rolling it in and out of the garage. I wouldn't mind replacing a few items here and there to make life easier on myself, especially because I am leaning towards keeping the engine and rebuilding it.
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I've used Faxon for decades. They are the real deal.
http://www.faxonautoliterature.com/products.cfm
I just got this manula in the amil and it is great! Thanks for the advice. Although, I did find it online for free. But, it is nicer to have something to have beside me while I work.

Is there a website or book that clearly identifies all of the components under the hood?
I have been working on BMW's for 10 years now, I know them like the back of my hand. But, to be honest I'm not really sure what's what.
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