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Old 03-27-2016, 08:31 AM
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Two Stage VS Single Stage Paint

I'm getting ready to paint my '66 Mustang and this is the first time I've ever done a detailed paint job and the first time I've sprayed a top coat.

I'm trying to decide if I should go with a single stage or two Stage Paint. Which would be easier for a first time painter to use and lay a good looking paint job?

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Also which system is more forgiving?
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Old 03-27-2016, 09:26 AM
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Metallic or solid color?

Single stage went out of style along with cattle rustling, haha.

In my opinion, base/clear is more forgiving. Both during application and after drying. And forever after, caring for it. Single stage demands total panel redo if there's a significant error, whereas two step leaves more options in most cases. Spraying clear evenly and sufficiently thick can be challenging until you have some practice under your belt, and good lighting is essential. But those things apply to single stage too, and with higher stakes. Another reason to use base/clear is because it's the norm. Technical guidance is easier to find should problems arise because it's what everyone else is using. As a rule of thumb, I would not suggest single stage for any area that normally sees sunlight.
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Metallic or solid color?
It's going to be a solid color.
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Which system is usually more durable to sun light and weather elements?

The Mustang isn't going to be my everyday driver but will be driving it 3-4 days a week. It will be stored in a garage but will still see its fair share of sun.
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Definitely base/clear for the durability win too. Without clear, sun can directly contact pigment. It is also wise to consider buffing that is normally required for a slick job with either paint. Clear you can play with a lot after drying. Not much sanding and buffing will fly on a single stage because you're destroying the color coat.
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I guess IDRIVEJUNK, doesn't have a lot of experiance with ss. I still use it and have been for years on solid colors. Will last just as long as bc/cc if done propely. Have seen car I've painted 10/15 years ago and still look good. Just use a quality product
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You are correct. I do not have experience with it. I guess you wanted to post those pics so bad you didn't realize the question was not can single stage be nicely done and last long when applied by someone familiar with it.
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It's going to be a solid color.
If its a solid color then SS is your best bet. Its easier to paint, its cheaper because theres no clear to buy, and when its done you cant tell the difference between it and BC/CC. BUT!!!! you want to use a urethane only and a quality paint like SPI. I use it all the time for many solid colors. Never use a SS metallic though , those are cheap paints that wont look good or last long. I have friends cars I painted 10-15 yrs ago with SPI SS urathane still looking fantastic.
The ONLY problem with SS is people get IT confused with acrylic and enamels which are a low grade paint as where Urathane is a higher quality ,more durable paint (all your good quality clears are also urethane) and like I said, when done right, even a pro cant tell SS solid color from a BC/CC. so, I "HIGLY" recommend SS "solid color" over BC/CC for your first paint job.
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DBM I'd take a piece of that can't tell the difference action. One fact I do know is that clearcoated single stage solids look fantastic. But I don't suggest that for a first attempt.
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My 1938 Chevrolet coupe was painted over 5 years ago with SS Black, then sanded all over then flames were laid out in base with 3 coats of clear over the entire car. Cut and buffed and still looks fantastic with 10000 driven miles.
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i use SS quite often. especially black and red. never had a problem with any of them .
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So to me it's starting to sound like a matter of preference rather than one system is better than the other.

But it does sound like bc/cc can be a little more forgiving than ss.
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SS is definetly easier for a first time paint job.
One thing that makes it easier is it sprays like people naturally want to spray "wet" and shiney . When people first try base coat they usually screw it up doing it this way ,its to thick and takes forever to dry base needs to be learned and sprayed lightly.

If you screw up SS its fairly easy and cheap to fix as far as materials and time goes.

You'll never see the clear peel or turn white with SS

Imo spraying SS on your "first" paint job is like crawling before walking or, painting 101, then comes BC/CC then tri coats and candies and in that order.

spraying SS metallic is about the only class that can and should be skipped.

Of coarse theres always exceptions . Some guys can pick up a gun for the first time and have perfect control of the gun ,spray a perfect job, and do it all in candy. From what I read on the internet anyways.
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So to me it's starting to sound like a matter of preference rather than one system is better than the other.

But it does sound like bc/cc can be a little more forgiving than ss.
its actually not about either its about what kind of paint a first timer should use and why.
Lets say the guy has his heart set on a pretty blue metallic the answer would be completely different. metallic really have to be sprayed in a BC/CC in order to look great. SS metallics look like poo next to BC/CC because it stays wet so long the metallic lay down and don't pop like they do in a fast drying BB/CC...but ...a newbie can get those metallic to lay down and die fairly easily with a base and waste 600.00 worth of paint in less than an hour. nobody ever learned anything by starting in the middle.
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