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Here in Washington State a couple summers back we had two head-ons in different parts of the state and about 2 months apart involving Kia's against Ford F250's. The Kia occupants in both cases were all killed, the F250 occupants went home bruised and battered but alive. Both Kia's were obliterated, air bags are of little help when the structure totally fails. One might consider that the real world has different results from those of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's standardized tests. Not that I'm against standardized tests, but it must be remembered the result is only good for the test this doesn't provide the blanket understanding that this is good and that is bad for all conditions which these tests are sold as providing.


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Agreed, and both our examples are pretty extreme, a truck will just crush a Kia or other small things! Which is what I was saying also, that is that a truck is safe as long as it hits something it can crush; but when it comes to hitting, say, a tree head-on, a truck is not the best vehicle to be in...

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Why not keep it mostly MG? These cars have modified a lot since their days (OK, in England!). If your grand-daughter needs more power (does she, really?), swap engine/trans for a modern 4 cylinder engine, Japanese, maybe... There was also an MGB V8 from the factory...
And keep the cool, sleep, unmistakable looks of the MG.
Should someone also wonder if your grand-daughter is a hot rodder at heart, is she ready and willing to live with a "hybrid", something maybe a bit difficult to maintain, with custom parts...?
A couple years ago I was hunting for an unusual project and was looking at turbo 4 cylinders. If you go on Youtube and hunt around, you'll find some "in car" vids of these little monsters. Here are a couple options: Honda F20C, and my favorite: Mitsu 4G63T. Both of these are available in rear wheel drive configuration and should easily fit the MGB engine compartment w/o hacking and cutting. A few upgrades and 500 HP in a stock looking body...

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As far as swaps go a 2nd gen miata is still a good bet.

The engine does not have vvt which makes programing and tuning straight forward, the manual transmission can handle a good amount of torque, and the 2nd gen has a stronger diff then the 1st gen. Your going to have and play with the track. It is close but wont be perfect.

Most importantly the thing is cheap. You can pickup a entire car for what a performance Honda or Mitsubishi engine will cost.

End of the day all of these can make 300hp reliability while keeping the car around 2500lbs. The rods become a weak link above 200 in the 1.8 so your building the engine. Still part cost comes into play with the mazda stuff being cheaper then Mitsubishi or the quality honda stuff.


I like mg dont get me wrong there. It is just a simple fact that finding one you dont need to put 100-200 hours of body/top work into is not going to be easy or cheap.
Miatas rust out also. But the cheap parts are still out there to bring it back.



Going to just throw this out there. It sounds like we are talking 7-10k no matter the car.
What about laying down some rails and building a t bucket?

Good suspension, frame, brakes, steering, body.
2nd hand interior.
Good 2nd hand v8, solid axle drivetrain around 300hp.

Get her into the thing having room to improve it herself.
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@techinspector - I have an MGB that's not too far from what you're talking about. I have a Ford 302, T5 and a custom built IRS. It is a blast to drive. LS motors were made of unobtanium back when I built my car, but that's the recipe I'd use if I were to do it again. If you were doing this build for yourself, I'd say do it as fast as you can. For your granddaughter, you might have some additional considerations. 1st, folding the top down is a manual process and may or may not be something she'll enjoy. Similarly, AC doesn't work very well with the soft top - I have it in mine. Below about 30mph, it'll freeze you out. Above that, too much hot air comes in around the gaps. AC works great with a hard top but she may not be up to lifting it off once on. They are a bit heavy and awkward to move around. Also, every MG I've owned leaks some water in the rain. It's not uncommon to get water dripping on driver or passenger. My older son did a lot of work with me when we were building my car and he can't wait to do one for himself. His girlfriend enjoys the car scene, but if we were doing one for her, I think a Miata would be a better choice to start with. Top goes up and down WAY easier. AC works acceptably with the soft top. They're a little bigger so a little safer in traffic. Just some things to think about. Now, if this is secretly for you, no doubt, the MG is the way to go!
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I like your MG idea and suggest just a few upgrades like brakes etc for starters.
Engine wise a hot 4 cylinder would be more appropriate for this type of car although nobody I see has mentioned a V6 engine.
V6 engines are still light enough and produce heaps of HP for a MG.
If the chassis needs a little beefing up just mod the stock chassis.

Adding different frames and heavy engines to a small sports car is likely to be disappointing except in a straight line and that is not what a sports car is about IMHO.
Your concerns for safety are well founded and so best not build something that maybe tricky to drive or have some weird characteristics on the highway...
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@fiftyV8 Actually, that's not the case (engine weight topic). The 1800cc MG motor was old (think circa 1950's era) thick wall casting - very heavy. The trans was also very heavy. As we're the rubber bumpers on the '75+ versions (heavy steel behind that rubber bumper to meet federal crash requirements). With my 302 (aluminum heads), T5 trans (way lighter than OEM), after market front crossmember (lighter than stock AND less unsprung weight) and rubber to chrome bumper conversation yields about a 50lb increase to the front end total. The car is 2417 lbs total (with 12 gallons of gas) and 51%/49% from back weight balance. Net, the mild tuned 302's 257 RWHP & 287 ft/lbs torque don't notice that 50 lbs. And, I guarantee you it still feels like a sports car. Just a WAY quicker one 🙂.
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Richard, with your abilities I would build a Triumph Spitfire
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6 speed from a 5 liter ( gear spacing is exactly how I like a small engine geared)
Its like a close ratio 5 speed with .7 overdrive (4.3 gears), 27 tall tire or change gear/tire combo,,again your math
o the math with your 600 plus hp 393 tuned to a flat 480 hp
Paint it pink with orange and yellow flames,,,
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Before I got my Henry J (which fits extremely well on a 2dr [early S10] Blazer chassis); I really wanted to get an MGB GT because I hate vintage convertible tops, and I like the rigidity of a roof. My dream was a 3.23 rear gear, an AG 2.99/1.88/1.35/1.00 M23, a 5.3LS and some sort of weber looking throttlebodies (or a 283 w/ actual downdrafts).

If the MGB GT didnt work, a Tiger clone, with a turbo 4 or 60* V6 instead of the 289.

If THAT didnt work, 88 Fiero GT with something small and high strung out back, and a snorkel hood scoop that sticks above the roof, IMSA flares and a Bob Sharp-esque paint scheme

Maybe a 260z or 60s Nova with a C4 corvette underpinnings and the ZF 6spd w/ small block of your choice is more her style? It worked for Lil John Buttera's NoVette (he used a Nash direct-drive 5spd though)
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On a different topic, some ideas die hard!
"Although I'll put her in an F350 4-door for her daily driver (to keep her safe)":
safety regulations are not as strict (by far) between trucks and cars, cars ARE much safer; a F350 is "safe" as long as you hit something that the truck can crush easily.... But when it comes to hitting a tree head-on, I'd rather be in a Smart car than in an F-350, even though it does not look like it! I have even read that in a head-on collision between a 1/2 ton and a Smart car, you'd better off in the Smart....
Yeah, OK, off topic...
The way all new cars are safer are when they have partial collisions and get front or rear end damage or go of the road and roll or end over end. This is where the front air bags and side curtain bags plus your seat belt save you. The structures in new cars with better steels and bracing makes them much safer than old cars and especially old trucks.
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Your post reminded me of a Bugeye Sprite with a 283 that lived in my neighborhood back in the day!

Man, if you're concerned about her safety, small and fast may not be the way to go. How about something mid-size, fast, and safe like a 2004-2006 GTO with LS1 or LS2? That way you'd have a great RWD chassis to begin with, and could easily coax another 100 HP out of the engine.
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Your post reminded me of a Bugeye Sprite with a 283 that lived in my neighborhood back in the day!

Man, if you're concerned about her safety, small and fast may not be the way to go. How about something mid-size, fast, and safe like a 2004-2006 GTO with LS1 or LS2? That way you'd have a great RWD chassis to begin with, and could easily coax another 100 HP out of the engine.
I do appreciate your concern, but the F350 will be her daily driver. The MGB will be a Sunday afternoon canyon carver with me at the wheel and her riding shotgun. I'm a retired NHRA-certified technical inspector, so the car will be equipped with a full cage, 5-point belts, wrist restraints, crotch straps, HANS devices, window nets and we'll be wearing -5 suits and the latest helmets.
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