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found this while surfing looking at welders.. trying to find a pic of the side of a century 180amp welder..

i know lincoln electric acquired century a few years ago... so i would assume and lincoln dealer can service a century welder..

http://weldingsupplyusa.com/index.p...&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=1

you also run into the fact that the lincolns and millers have infinite settings, i dont think the others do..
 

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using a hobart (miller) and severly go over the duty cycle ev. time i use it , 4 yrs old and no probs at all........I should Have but , not yet

this generally mean the welder is not getting the right amount of air to the back of it, if the fan in the welder is working correctly then put a small house fan or something behind the welder, it will probably completely cure your problem. I have this trouble in the summer time when it gets pretty warm in the garage.
 

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I like Miller have two of them, the Miller weighs more, that says bigger heftier parts. As in stereo equipment, heavy is better ....

Of course that's not the only reason I like the Millers just something I noticed at the store waiting to buy some gloves. They had the Miller 110 and a 110 Lincoln sitting next to each other. Killing time I looked at the drive of the Lincoln, plastic wire feed rollers real nice. So I picked it up just for grins ...... wow discovery . Not selling them do not own stock but I do buy and like the product.
 

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I think the title says it all. Lincoln or Miller. I have owned 3 Lincolns and one Hobart. I gave the Hobart away because I had nothing but trouble with it... maybe just a lemon . I have used Millers and they are nice but a bit more $$ . The best bang for your buck is probably a Lincoln. These machines take a beating. I use mostly flux core because I do a lot of galvanized pipe and run a strong fume extractor that can raise hell with the gas. Other than that gas is the way to go. Only use Lincoln wire. Home Depot is the cheapest for flux core (10lb.). Just make sure it is sealed up good when you buy it. I have gotten rolls that have been banged up and opened and nothing but trouble. H D is great for returns. Happy welding !
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I think the title says it all. Lincoln or Miller. I have owned 3 Lincolns and one Hobart. I gave the Hobart away because I had nothing but trouble with it... maybe just a lemon . I have used Millers and they are nice but a bit more $$ . The best bang for your buck is probably a Lincoln. These machines take a beating. I use mostly flux core because I do a lot of galvanized pipe and run a strong fume extractor that can raise hell with the gas. Other than that gas is the way to go. Only use Lincoln wire. Home Depot is the cheapest for flux core (10lb.). Just make sure it is sealed up good when you buy it. I have gotten rolls that have been banged up and opened and nothing but trouble. H D is great for returns. Happy welding !
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That Hobart probably was just an odd one because the little Hobarts usually are very dependable, I am a big fan of the Lincoln and Lincoln is always my first choice but the little Hobarts are known for a lot of value for the money. There is a very common misconception that Hobart welders are made by Miller and are just stripped down Millers but this is NOT true, they are owned by the same parent company (ITW) and because of this they do share some parts such as guns, etc but they are still competing divisions of ITW and the two makes are aimed at different markets. I mention this because that BS "urban legend" about Miller owning Hobart and Hobart being just an inferior Miller has caused some to not even consider the Hobart which is a mistake because the Hobart can be a really good machine for the money.




The point about making sure the wire is sealed up good when buying it is a REALLY good one because damaged packaging can lead to serious problems mostly due to moisture exposure. Flux core wire is even more susceptible to exposure damage than solid wire because the flux inside the tube (wire) will absorb moisture and cause all kinds of problems from poor bead appearance to far more serious hydrogen embrittlement and cracking of the weld bead.
 

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Around here all you ever see is Miller. I've used a couple millers and an eSab but never a Lincoln.

Personally if I had my choice, money no issue, it would be a Miller. Id take a Lincoln if I found a good price on a used one but i'll always be looking for a Miller.

Also I believe the rollers on the MM350P at work are metal but i'd have to look again. Either way, plastic or metal, we've never ever had an issue with the wire feed on the Millers (MM180 or the MM350P) or even the eSab.

I'd stay away from the cheap welders. I looked at the northern tool "Northern Industrial" brand welders. I believe that I determined them to be a Lincoln knock off. However, I found some pics of the internals on the internet of the two machines, name brand one and the northern tool one, and the name brand had copper windings while the northern tool one had aluminum windings. I have always heard that the aluminum windings that are used today are bad news and to stay away from them.

Other than the aluminum windings the two brands were identical, its just that one was a Chinese clone of a name brand made with cheap parts.

Personally I am looking for a used Miller MM180 which should be plenty of welder for me at a great price.
 

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I've used Miller,Lincoln and Hobart..

I see no real difference in the big 3 when it comes to smoothness running the weld and quality of the weld at all.

I geuss the AutoSet on the Miller would really help out anyone new to the hobby,but on a Lincoln it has all the settings recommendations on the inside of the door so it works just as well for a "newbie",but for me it would be useless since no matter what recommendations or the AutoSet is,i will always just test run to the likeness of my style of welding,i like it hot and smooth.

The quality of the wire used plays a HUGE factor in the quality of the weldment,i tried the cheap Harbor Freight wire once for the heck of it on my Lincoln 180 and it was junk in my opinion,lots of spatter and never seemed to run consitant and left poor looking welds.
 

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The quality of the wire used plays a HUGE factor in the quality of the weldment


It certainly does and often someone will be looking for a problem with his welder when the problem is on the spool! The wire does not have to start out as bad quality either, quite often someone will buy good wire and then leave it subjected to open conditions where it will accumulate dirt, rust and all kinds of shop junk which can interfere with the feed rate due to the wire sticking and the weld quality because of contamination. I think one of the most common problems is grinding dust, since welding and grinding go "hand-in-hand" it is not unusual for someone to grind his work without regard to where the grinding sparks/dust are going. Those "sparks" are not just sparks but actually tiny molten bits of metal that will instantly weld themselves to welding wire (and window glass! :pain: ) causing rough spots that will snag the wire and cause feeding problems. Once a roll of wire has been exposed to grinding sparks it is usually toast and about the only practical thing to do is toss it and get some clean wire! I have seen many times someone cursing their welder because of the frustration of trying to get it to feed when the real problem was they had ruined their wire by grinding or letting it rust, it takes very little of either to cause major problems.
 

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i have the miller 211 with mvp http://www.millerwelds.com/products/mig/millermatic_211_autoset/
i only use the auto-set when im going to weld somthing very small and dont want to think
just grab it, set it, and blam ,done.
as a rule though, if its a big job its always better to set it up yourself
the reason i got the 211 is it goes both 220 v or 110 v
it will weld like a big machine, yet is still portable
at home i run the 220 v but i have taken it to a friends to do his exhaust and just used the 110 v
i love that thing
 

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I have a lincon sp135 plus which is a 110v model. I like red so I went with lincon. I like to weld thin metal and only needed a 110 volt. But the main reason I went with lincon........................ I LOVE THE COLOR RED !!!!!![/B] :thumbup: It has never given any trouble, and I have had it for about 8 yrs.
 

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I have a lincon sp135 plus which is a 110v model. I like red so I went with lincon. I like to weld thin metal and only needed a 110 volt. But the main reason I went with lincon........................ I LOVE THE COLOR RED !!!!!![/B] :thumbup: It has never given any trouble, and I have had it for about 8 yrs.

if you ever try to sell anything to this guy, just paint it red and he will be a sure buyer, lmao
 

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Just an update.....after looking at Miller, Lincoln, Hobart and a couple of others, reading a million articles along with researching the site at www.weldingtipsandtricks.com I've decided on the Miller 211, I can get it at my local Airgas for $984 and these guys were really helpful in walking me through the different units....both Miller and Lincoln.

I like the dual voltage idea and the fact that it is relatively small enough @ 75 lbs. that I can haul it to a buddies house and plug into his 110v if needed for small jobs. It's about $150 more than the Miller 180 but I really think it will be well worth it in the long run as I plan to have this machine "till death do us part". Thanks again for all the info and replies.......Dave
 

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I think you made a good choice going with the miller. I bought a hobart 140 about a year ago, I am happy with it but if I used a welder at home more than I do I would have bought a Miller. Let us know how the machine performs. We have a millermatic passport at work. It is nice for the portability of it but I don't think it was worth the extra money over the 140 amp.

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