Thanks johnsongrass... in this case it was more like -
drive it around the block, break it, fix it
I don't know how but the starter came loose. I didn't tighten them too hard being 1/4 inch bolts into aluminum. When driving it I killed it at a stop sign and then it kept grinding trying to get it started. Then when I got it back I noticed the starter was loose but the damage was done.
Good news is my son and I got the trans and clutch pulled in under an hour. And the part is only like $170.