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Hot damn, you are getting into that! I like how you have the car on jack stands, something often missed by people, good thinking.

Remember to protect my radio and dash knobs from welding and grinding sparks. :D

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Did not accomplish a lot but my A pillar grew a couple of inches today. Still have more to weld at the front.

Amazon says mymPlasma Cutter will be here wednesday. :thumbup:

 

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You're gonna love a plasma...:D
I wear safety sunglasses with mine to reduce eye strain from the light. Many people don't wear anything and it doesn't seem to bother them, but I get an area of out of focus like a weld flash after a while without them.
 

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John,

I don't have any helpful advice. I just want to tip my hat to you for even thinking about saving that car. As long as you enjoy it, that's all that matters.
 
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John,

I don't have any helpful advice. I just want to tip my hat to you for even thinking about saving that car. As long as you enjoy it, that's all that matters.
I couldnt have said it any better...working with this stuff is a challenge few are up to..welcome to the club...
Are you planning on any changes or modifications like ,taillights ,body drops suspension etc...
 

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Looks like a lot of work ahead John, but I'm sure you can handle it. I look forward to the continued updates of the build. Kinda looks like a 68 Camaro we are working on, we are using the factory fire wall, EVERYTHING else will be replaced :pain:

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I couldnt have said it any better...working with this stuff is a challenge few are up to..welcome to the club...
Are you planning on any changes or modifications like ,taillights ,body drops suspension etc...
It will probably be a mild custom painted red with white cove. I hope to make it a big block 4 speed car. Nosed, decked, lowered with skirts. PS PB Air etc. My intent was to subframe it but I keep reading posts that talk about what a nightmare it is to subframe these cars. I don't really want to spend 2500 dollars for a new mustang II set up. Not sure at this point how to best handle the front suspension. S10 was my original choice but there may be better ways. In the old days a lot of people used Cavalier racks on the origional suspension. Ball bearing wheel bearings with a bit block sounds a little iffy to me though. I just don't know.

If you look closely at my pictures it will occur to you, I have lots of time to decide. :drunk:

Looks like a lot of work ahead John, but I'm sure you can handle it. I look forward to the continued updates of the build. Kinda looks like a 68 Camaro we are working on, we are using the factory fire wall, EVERYTHING else will be replaced :pain:

Kelly
Do you need the rear steer subframe? :D

Thanks for the interest and support guys.

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It will probably be a mild custom painted red with white cove. I hope to make it a big block 4 speed car. Nosed, decked, lowered with skirts. PS PB Air etc. My intent was to subframe it but I keep reading posts that talk about what a nightmare it is to subframe these cars. I don't really want to spend 2500 dollars for a new mustang II set up. Not sure at this point how to best handle the front suspension. S10 was my original choice but there may be better ways. In the old days a lot of people used Cavalier racks on the origional suspension. Ball bearing wheel bearings with a bit block sounds a little iffy to me though. I just don't know.

If you look closely at my pictures it will occur to you, I have lots of time to decide. :drunk:



Do you need the rear steer subframe? :D

Thanks for the interest and support guys.

John
Great job so far..:thumbup:
I think you been hearing about clip's from all the wrong people..:D
They work great when done right,,, And isn't as hard as some make it sound,, And usually the bad you hear about them is from the people that couldn't do it right in the first place..

I was thinking of mounting one like this in my 50 coupe...I think it would work fine..

 

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Great job so far..:thumbup:
I think you been hearing about clip's from all the wrong people..:D
They work great when done right,,, And isn't as hard as some make it sound,, And usually the bad you hear about them is from the people that couldn't do it right in the first place..

I was thinking of mounting one like this in my 50 coupe...I think it would work fine..

That is a really neat way to handle a narrow front end. I would consider doing something like that if it solved the brake problem, the wheel bearing probLem And the obsolete suspension in general.

Don't get me wrong, even though I am usually a Ford guy, I remember the Chevies of these years drove better than the Fords. I also remember that Corvette used this exact front end until 1962.

These front ends have ball bearings, kingpins and hydraulic shocks. I would like to get rid of all of it at the same time.
 

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Just a follow up to above. I am a big fan of GM subframes. I have done 2 of them and ended up with cars that drove and road great for very little money. The thing I don't want is a car whit the front wheels sticking out to far.

I hope to find some pictures of 49-54 chevies with S10 frame clips. They are good and narrow if I can deal with the front steer. M2 crossmembers work well but are pricey. Remember I am very, very frugal. :mwink:

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Just a follow up to above. I am a big fan of GM subframes. I have done 2 of them and ended up with cars that drove and road great for very little money. The thing I don't want is a car whit the front wheels sticking out to far.

I hope to find some pictures of 49-54 chevies with S10 frame clips. They are good and narrow if I can deal with the front steer. M2 crossmembers work well but are pricey. Remember I am very, very frugal. :mwink:

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John ,I don't know the frame width on the 53 car but a 53 truck a Pacer ,(did I say that ) is as close to a direct bolt in you can get it has I think 8 bolts then you set complete cradle out with ps pdisc rack $ pinion sway bars shocks all in ! unit just bolt it under I will go measure my frame width if you need me to ,,also the change narrows front track width 1 inch if that matters.:thumbup::thumbup:
 

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John ,I don't know the frame width on the 53 car but a 53 truck a Pacer ,(did I say that ) is as close to a direct bolt in you can get it has I think 8 bolts then you set complete cradle out with ps pdisc rack $ pinion sway bars shocks all in ! unit just bolt it under I will go measure my frame width if you need me to ,,also the change narrows front track width 1 inch if that matters.:thumbup::thumbup:
LOL. just how plentiful are Pacer front ends? Seriously there some of the old technology really did work.

This a couple of years premature but here is what I am thinking.

When I built my Merc and put it on the '69 Skylark frame I had to deal with the front steer. I did it by making mounting pads that sat on the modified front frame horns. That eliminated the need for the radiator support. I used (I think) a '71 impala cross flow radiator. I could mount the front fenders and shim each side individually making front end alignment a breeze. I had a radiator that was factory matched to the 402 I was running and lastly, I fabricated all my inner fenders, splash panels, lower fender braces, radiator mounts.

Think about it. NO RUSTY SHEET METAL to deal with. I will see if I can come up with a picture of the Merc under the hood. I just don't know yet if there is enough room in front of the wheels to make the S10 clip work. Anyway I have lots of nights to think about this as sleep sneaks up on me. Thanks David.

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Chassis engineering crossmember..has optional mounts. This is $640 and accepts all stock MII front parts. If you have a source for a scrapped MII and can get the rest for cheap, this might be an option. The only issue is it doesn't work with power rack, only manual. They also have a complete tubular arm, disc brake kit to complete this but it's another $1500

 

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Chassis engineering crossmember..has optional mounts. This is $640 and accepts all stock MII front parts. If you have a source for a scrapped MII and can get the rest for cheap, this might be an option. The only issue is it doesn't work with power rack, only manual. They also have a complete tubular arm, disc brake kit to complete this but it's another $1500
I definitely is an option. I very well may end up doing that......

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I was going to use the monte carlo front clip which is the same as a s10 just a little wider,,, But the front steering box would have been in the front pan infront of the rad..I read a few guy's on the hamb said they did it with the s10 clip and worked out nice.. I did a few clips with s10's and the steering box was always the problem... I did re-clip the front of a s10 race truck with a rack & pinion mounted in front instead of the box..Worked out great..

My coupe I sold a while back,, I just went install a Progressive Automotive
Mustang II on it... Worked out great... Very nice front end..


What's great about these cars is.. Once you unbolt the front end and take it out,,, It's ready for any mustang II kit... Very nice frame rails to work with..
 

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I think I'd use a subframe too those crossmembers with all the goodies are great time savers and look really cool but when labor is free,times not an issue and moneys tight, subframe it...I used a camaro subframe with 12" impalia rotors and Aframes and a 2000 camaro pwr rack (front steer) all from parts cars and cheap cheap, cheap,,,bagged it too.. the air bags were a buy i get i free so they turned out about 25.00 ea ....I dont see why it would be any harder than any other car..as long as the track width is close a little narrower would be better IMO...looks better when they're sittin on the ground....:mwink:
 

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They have been done with camaro clip's,, But you can't turn when they are on the ground... The camaro clip's are to wide,,, The monte carlo front ends are not as wide... The s10 is a good clip if your ready to deal with the steering box...
 
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