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83-84 L69 305 H.O. - Camshaft and Lifter Replacement

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Starting this thread to keep track of the process of replacing my flat tappet camshaft and lifters and to ask questions I will have a long the way.
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There is one additional thing that can cause a tick like that and it is valve guides in the heads. Not trying to imply this is the problem (cam is definitely bad by seeing the lifters), but you should probably check the guides before replacing the camshaft so you are not disappointed in a repair. I always personally checked them by standing a 12" or longer 3/8 extension on the exhaust manifold side of each valve spring (along side the spring) and then put some lateral pressure by prying the spring retainer towards the intake manifold side (a little) while the engine is running. This is to check if the valve is rocking in the guide. If noise disappears the valve guide is suspect. Yeah, its a real bubba check, but it works. Cost you nothing to do.

You cannot see the fine metal particles unless a new cam has suddenly destroyed itself - way too small. Let some oil ( very first first out of the pan) settle in a glass jar and then look at the bottom for different color.
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That being said the only way to check is to pull the heads right ? Damn... a head gasket set is sort of out my budget......
Best way is to take the spring off and wiggle the valve. But with the heads on you have to keep the valve from falling. Either air pressure or nylon rope as someone else suggested. Probably doesnt matter if your finances won't allow a $300-$400 valve job on these old 305 heads.

Why mess with oil pan on this old engine in the Winter. Let it drip until you replace it (if that is what your plans still are).

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When you pull the old cam out and put the new one in dont ding up the cam bearings with the cam lobes. Be careful. You can screw three 6" long or longer carriage bolts into the front of cam so you have something to hold on to and for leverage to keep the cam off the bearings as much as possible while it comes out. Slow and easy. Do you have enough clearance forward from the engine to get the camshaft out?

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Your vacuum seems quite low in your highway driving video. What is max when decelerating from speed? 15?? Dificult to see.
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It's the cheap ass JDM eBay dash gauge reading is a bit off...

With my Harbor Freight vacuum gauge, my vacuum is 20-21hg depending how far advanced I set my distributor.
Good!

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I used 6" x 5/16-18" thread bolts to pull the camshaft without a camshaft removal tool...
So lets see a closeup of worst cam lobes!

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Yep cam is pretty flat. Especially for cylinders #2 and #4. Cam bearings difficult to see. Front bearing looks pretty rough, but they are not high load bearing things.

Sorry I'm not going to get involved in the oil pan gasket..... but carry on.
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Yep cam is pretty flat. Especially for cylinders #2 and #4. Cam bearings difficult to see. Front bearing looks pretty rough, but they are not high load bearing things.

Sorry I'm not going to get involved in the oil pan gasket..... but carry on.
OK I lied about the oil pan...... Why not just leave oil pan in place, trim the old pan gasket out underneath the front cover, clean everything absolutely dry and oil-free with carb cleaner, trim the inside tabs on the front cover a little (so it slides back in place without hitting the pan), and put it together with a clean new front oil pan seal / fill in those gaps where the pan gasket goes with RTV. If it's good enough for the intake china wall, it should be fine here as well. No way would I go through the hassle of pulling the oil pan while in the car. Don't forget about the oil pickup tube being in the way - it goes into the bottom of the pan.
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Well the reason I'm dropping the oil pan is because of two reasons :

1. When I replaced the timing chain and cover, I did it without removing the oil pan (pryed the front of it down slightly with two flathead screwdrivers) and it leaked no matter how many layers of RTV I spread on it to stop it from leaking...I don't want another timing cover leak...oil gets expensive, especially having to buy ZDDP additives.

2. I already bought the Fel-Pro blue rubber steel core one piece oil pan gasket.
OK - I understand. Do you think the pan can be bent back up, or is it irrevocably bent down?
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Put a pan underneath when you pull the tube out of the trans - a lot may come out.
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Project is down until I make $16 for a crankshaft socket...
Or turn it over with the flex plate. Pry with screwdriver between engine block and ring gear teeth. One tooth at a time.

But with the lifters and spark plugs out you should be able to grab hold of the flex plate with a rag and turn the engine easily.

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That's the thing, what I bought the car I was told there was 46000 miles on the odometer showed 46000 miles...

Since I have had the car, according to the odometer, I have put just about 5000 miles on the engine from the 46000 that it's said to have.

Surely I bought the engine with this wear, Because I don't see myself putting this much wear on supposedly new cam bearings and only driving at 5000 miles as a daily driver.
I was thinking you said the vin number indicated car came with a V6
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I have the oil I drained from the motor. I believe I was told to pour it a clear gallon jug and add some water to it and the water will pull metal shavings to the bottom of the bottle...

I don't remember who or where I heard that from, probably here, but it was recently said.

Does that sound correct ?
It's microscopic particles you are looking for. Best way IMHO is just to let the oil settle for extended period of time and then carefully pour slowly off the top of it. When you get down to the bottom, you will see the silver color of the microscopic metal in the oil. It's not a question that you have it at this point - just look at the camshaft and lifters.
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Wow! I didn't realize you were working outside before! Believe you are in Oklahoma, right? I would advise to not let things sit open for very long, and keep things sprayed with oil. This complicates the idea of spreading this out over several months. Maybe some antioxidant spray protectant made to defeat rust would be in order for the interim. Commonly made for protecting gun barrels but there may be other sources that would be much cheaper.

Or maybe get it running again. Then you could change the springs/retainers/pushrods/check the guides with the heads on in the Spring. This would require only the cam and lifters and some gaskets/oil right now. Can you afford that? (stock springs will be OK for now and actually better for cam breakin - just keep it under 4000).
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I dont think anyone is expecting you to replace that cam bearing. Just note that it looks a little rough for future reference and hope for the best. If the cam turns nicely in the bearings, it will most likely be just fine. You gotta get out of the idea that you are making this engine perfect with a bunch of various new parts. Just want you to get it back together with the new cam ASAP.

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Looking at what appears to be old dings on that front cam bearing I bet someone has at least had the camshaft out before. Any numbers on it anywhere? Front/Back/between lobes? Just curious.
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sorry - numbers GM15 1624 doesn't compute for me.
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Sounds like the best possible choice you can make given the circumstances. The springs and guides and pushrods, etc and checking of guides can be dealt with later. With that particular cam you really should eventually replace the springs too if you want to take to 5000. For now just try to keep the moisture out of the engine so things don't start to rust in the meantime. Start the spark plugs back in place. Cover if it is going to blow snow. Maybe spray white lithium grease in spots if metal doesn't seem to have a good coating of oil. You could get a can of the spray white lithium at the auto parts store. Good luck and best wishes for a successful repair.

Are you 100% clear on the cam break-in? You will need a priming tool for the oil system and a drill. IIRC Jegs has a pretty inexpensive one (goes in place of the distributor). Just a shaft to turn the pump doesn't work since SBC engines have an oil passage for 1 bank of the lifters sealed off by the distributor. You're going to want to change the oil and filter within a few hundred miles of running a new cam, so might as well get real break in oil and overfill by 1 quart to let the crank throw more oil up on the camshaft. IIRC Lucas 30W break in oil with really high ZDDP is fairly inexpensive - what I use - but you have many choices (multiweight break in oil exists but is pretty pricey).

1. Adjust each pair of rockers to zero lash + 1/2 turn by rotating engine 90 degrees between each cylinder in the firing order - starting with TDC#1. 18436572. two full revolutions of crankshaft to adjust valves. This can be done very easily before the intake is installed and you can easily see/feel when the lifter is at zero lash. If you're not familiar with doing this, ask.
2. Overfill with break in oil by one quart.
3. Prime with drill until you get oil coming into all rocker arms and then install the valve covers.
4. Engine should be on TDC#1 at this point. Drop distributor in with rotor pointing exactly at #1, and then tweak it 10 degrees counter-clockwise. Lock it down enough to hold while running, but loose enough so you can still turn it by pulling on the vacuum advance unit.
5. Get your timing light set up and ready to read timing
6. Turn up the idle a turn or two of the idle speed screw (depends on the carb) - but you are shooting for 2000 rpm
7. Start the engine (should start immediately - don't spin engine with the starter) and adjust idle to maintain reasonable speed slightly above 2000.
8. Check timing to make sure is about 30-40 degrees or so for the remainder of break in.
9. Hold engine speed at above 2000 for 20 minutes, listening for any development of noises.
10. Turn idle down to normal and then shut down engine.
11. Remove oil filter, dump into a glass jar for inspection, cut open oil filter, and look for visible shavings of cam/lifter in oil or filter.
12. If none, your cam is breaking in properly.
13. Screw on a new oil filter without adding oil and you are now at the right oil level.
14. Drive for a few hundred miles on the ultra high-ZDDP break in oil to get a good coating of it smashed onto the cam and lifter surfaces. Then change the oil and maintain 1300 -1450 ppm of ZDDP for the rest of your camshaft's life. This can be done using proper amount of ZDDP additive or by using oil like Brad Penn that has the correct amount of ZDDP already formulated into it. Too much ZDDP (for a long time) is not good either. ZDDP is a extreme pressure additive that gets used up. I recommend changing your oil every 3000 miles.

Now I expect we will hear how I am wrong.
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Forgot to say after #13 to set the timing to approx 34 degrees max centrifugal with vacuum advance unplugged. Then plug in vac advance to manifold vacuum and adjust idle to about 650 in drive. Then finally adjust idle mix.

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