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I've been told there are kits to put 460's into these cars and actually make the job a snap but I'm thinking a small block would make a better driver, especially with gas at $3 bucks a gallon.

I wonder if anyone could tell me if they know of a motor mount kit that would help me bolt up a 302/5.0 onto the old, long missing, 292 frame mounts?
 

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Good swap

A 302 w/ an AOD would make a great driver IMHO..Now as far as I know the tranny mount will line up just fine and Speedway motors has a crossmember for the Ford engine..May require some fabrication.

Check your pan clearance as you may need to get the proper oil pan and pickup for that swap..302 comes with either front or rear sump..myself I think I would just set the engine/tranny in place and then see just what is needed to complete the mounts..May be possible to get the frame mounts from another car to adapt to your chassis..Driveshaft is anyones guesstimate as to how tha tis to be worked out..I would suggest just bite the bullet and have your local driveshaft guy fix you up on that piece..You will need the yoke that fits the tranny and the one that fits the rear end..let him sort out the rest of it..

I presume you are going carbed..if you do happen to come up with an EFI block they do have the provision to mount the fuel pump tho you will need to install the fuel pump eccentric on the cam..The rest of it is just regular ole hookup the fuel and electrical connections..

As far as anyone having a "kit" for this dunno bout that but since it goes in so easy anyway I do not forsee and great amount of grief in doing this.. :thumbup:

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57 eng swap

In my opinion this would make a great swap, 302, or 351. Call crites in ohio, I think he has the parts to do this. good luck, jim.
 

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This 57 project, hopefully, will start in the spring. First things first, though it doesn't hurt to start planning. It is a New Mexico car I just stumbled across and bought a month, or so, ago. The body is outstanding though missing the motor (acording to the code a 292/2V) and rear end. Straight, no bondo of any kind, very little rust and all the glass (except right wing window) and trim is there and very good. Right now the plan is to do it with a small block/T5 as it was a stick car (3sp w/overdrive) and the pedals are there. There's still alot of time to decide what to do about the induction but EFI sure sounds great.

So, as I said, first things first so the first thing I really need to do is to get it to roll around. Been running in circles trying to decide what to do for a rear end. Been taking stock of what I have around and calling buddys to see what they have around. My neighbor kid has several truck 9" housings but they're too wide for the 57. He also has an 8" housing with axels out of a 64 V8 Sprint that looks perfect but the 3rd member would need to be rebuilt and,, it's an 8",,, which shouldn't really be a problem with a mildly built 302/T5...
Then I also already have a big old honker 9" rear, already with discs, that's under a 75 Mk IV which would have to be shortened, spring mounts located and welded, and necessary parts redrilled to 5 on 4 1/2 pattern...

Right now it looks like I'll build the 8 incher.. Unless I can come up with the proper 9 incher (52 1/4" bearing to bearing).

Been trying to finish up my 69 Torino Cobra project (at least I've been throwing a lot of money at it lately) so I have my big block monster. I used Crites mounts and headers to shoehorn a 460/C6 into it and am actually happy with their product. I had no big problems though there sure isn't much room in there. With luck I'll have this one running and ready for paint around Christmas..

Crites is known for their big block stuff though they're worth a call about the motor mounts for a small block into the 57. I'll see what they say tommorow.
 

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I'd go with a 351, when built up they make good torque, like to rev, and get decent mpg, well, better than a 460.

Car Craft did an article on the 351ws they used in the Starsky and Hutch movie, I think they made about 400hp. :thumbup:
 

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Rear end

you may wish to look at the 8.8 out of a Ranger or explorer..one of those may fit well and the later ones have disk brakes to boot..

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I'd look into the kit. Use something that has easily available mounts.

Based on what you have said, I would recommend your staying with a small block... 289-302-5.0 HO... and using the factory 89-95 mass air fuel injection set up. It is simple and easy to do. Been there, driving that.

Remember, it is just a Ford and most stuff drops right in for many years. Like 72+ frame-Torino disc brakes, etc. You can use a plenty strong 75-80 Granada 8" rear end, it is a simple bolt in and ready to run, available almost anywhere for $ 50 complete.

If you use a 86+ Crown Vic 5.0 and AOD, they are roller engines but only 160 hp but can be upgraded reasonably with the later computer and minor rewiring. Grandma drove them and they usually are in pretty decent condition.

Fuelie AOD should get 22 with the AC on.

There are tons of factory fuelie set ups out there for little money. Mustangers are pulling them off and throwing them into the storage sheds and installing all the super duper parts. Get EVERYTHING.

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Put a 351C in a '58 Edsel a few years back. Used the stock smallblock motor mounts for a '63-'64 Galaxie and used some collars(1/2-1") between the block and the mounts to lift the engine (pan) enough to clear the crossmember. The original trans was a 2 speed Fordomatic and needed trimmed to clear the C6 oil pan. If it had an FMX(cast iron cruiso) I think the trans crossmember would have worked without modification. It has several frame holes for different trans crossmembers and I used them without change. The stock Cleveland 4bbl exhaust manifolds fit easily, so any other small block should be no problem. All the parts were accessed at a local parts store so the customer could get them later if needed.
 

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Thanks for the info guyz.

The 351 Cleveland is a slightly wider engine than the 351 Windsor, but the way that the C exhaust comes out.... (the head exhaust surface is 90* to the deck.... the W is not....) makes the C exhaust come out pointing down at a 45* angle and the W points out more sideways. In a tight compartment the C actually fits better and has more exhaust header clearance. So, believe it or not a C goes into early 60s unibodies easier than the W.

I have never seen a C in a late 50s Ford.

Anyhow here is the photo I mentioned.

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It's a CONTINENTAL RWD. It came through with CFI but I see someone has carbed it with a 4180C HOLLEY. Shame, nice body.
 

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The 57 Fairlane is a big heavy car and it will be some what of a dog with a 302 (my opinion). In its day, with a 312, 2 4barrels, police special, it was a dog. I would go for a big block and add EFI for increased economy and stick a manual OD tranny behind it. Now your motor will be loafing, hauling the 2 ton boat instead of bogging down a small block. But if you insist on the 302, look at a Kenne-Bell blower to help it out.

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Not to start a debate in this thread but The Windsor is much easier to fit into tight compartments than a Cleveland....MUCH easier. The exhausts fit closer to the engine on a W because of the port angle, plus they are inward of the block edge where the C ports are AT the block edge. Look at any Mustang that has a W and then one with a C and you'll see that the Windsor has much more room. If you're in the area stop by and I'll show you one of each. :)
 

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You are concerned with mileage. If you are building a cruiser, the 302 will be fine. Upgrade it to SFI. There is 3-4 mpg more with SFI than carb.

I have a 90 Town Car 5.0 AOD that I bought new. It was never any rocket ship but consistently got 24.5 with AC on the road with a 3.27 gear. It has 235,000 on it now.

Hey my new 4.6 TC ain't no rocket either..... and it gets 27 on a trip but needs 91 octane.

I think that that Continental rear end is either 2 or 3 inches wider than your 57 Ford which was/is 57 1/2 inches wheel to wheel. I'd still do the Granada 8" as a direct bolt in no hassle deal. It will stand 250 hp at the tires easy. The 8 and the light 9 have the same axles.

I am not sure if those Continental spindles and disk brakes bolt right on to the 57, but I will try to find out.

Wow, that Conte has hydro-boost power brakes.... those are excellent... use them too !!!!!!!!! With a Saginaw PS gearbox it is sweet.

The street rodders are just now latching on to that technology and they love it.

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I am not sure if those Continental spindles and disk brakes bolt right on to the 57, but I will try to find out.

Wow, that Conte has hydro-boost power brakes.... those are excellent... use them too !!!!!!!!! With a Saginaw PS gearbox it is sweet.
The CONT has the FOX McPherson Strut with steering knuckles. He would be better off with the front 70's intermediate changeover.

The HYDRO-BOOST is a plus... :thumbup:
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302/5.0 into a 57

Swapping a 302/5.0 into your 57 Fairlane should be a pretty straight forward endeaver, and will be a nice combination. This has been done several times before, but mostly with the 351W and Clevelands, which use the same motormounts as the SBF.
Check with some of the Ford specialty houses on the mounts etc, since that would be the best source for finding a swap kit. The 57 Ford weighed about 34-3600 lbs, so even a stock engine, while not being a barn burner, will make the 57 move out in fair style. Especially considering that the late model 302/5.0's put out as much horse power as at the rear wheels as that 292 put out at the flywheel, so you are looking at an honest 40-50 HP gain right off the bat. Not to mention that the SBF is a smaller and lighter package than was the Y block.
Your 57 should have either a 9 or 9 1/4 inch rear end in it, which both rearends used the same gears.
Since your 292 was hard pressed to get 15-17 mpg on the highway in its hey day, dont be surprised to see a good 3-5 mpg improvement, even with a carburated version of the SBF.
One thing I would highly recommend in your conversion, would be to definately upgrade your brakes, but to go with new springs and gas shocks all the way around.
 

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Duke you are correct. It is a Fox. I was thinking that it was a carryover 70s Granada chassis... He basicly has an engine, transmission, brake booster. Even the rear end cannot be put into the 57 for any reasonable effort.IMO.

If someone really wants an 8.8..... the 80 Granada/Monarch fancy model trimmed like the Versailles, used an 8.8 on leaf springs, drum brakes, 2.47 gear, 57 1/2 wide wheel to wheel. A straight bolt in for a 57-59 Ford and most any unibody Ford from the 60s. They are very very rare but I have had two.

I'd still do the 8 in Granada in his car. It is a straight bolt in and cheap and will take all the power the 5.0 will do.

Max is correct. The Fox Mustang GT is right around 3600 curb weight, depending on transmission.... and they go pretty well with the true HO. Of course that Conte 5.0 will only do 160 stock, but can be coaxed up a little without major expense.

And as we recommended, do upgrade those front brakes to disks. Look into the 72+ frame Torino spindles. The Granada rear drum brakes will be fine. The Granada/Monarch/Versailles that I mentioned had hydroboost and it worked great.

The 57-9 front suspension was a little wierd, but worked reasonable well, so I see no reason to chop it up or install something special for a cruiser car.
 

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302/5.0 into a 57 Ford

What I was referring to in weighing about 3600 lbs, was the 57 Ford itself, rather than the Mustang GT. Its ironic that the GT, which is a very much smaller car would weigh as much as the Fairlane.
Most likely, the rear end you have in your 57, is a 9 1/4 inch, and from what I was told in the old days, the gears between a 9 1/4 and 9 inch were interchangeable. Dont knock that old 9 1/4, the were a pretty gutsy rear.
 

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What I was referring to in weighing about 3600 lbs, was the 57 Ford itself, rather than the Mustang GT. Its ironic that the GT, which is a very much smaller car would weigh as much as the Fairlane.
Most likely, the rear end you have in your 57, is a 9 1/4 inch, and from what I was told in the old days, the gears between a 9 1/4 and 9 inch were interchangeable. Dont knock that old 9 1/4, the were a pretty gutsy rear.
Yes, I was agreeing that the both are similar weight.

The 57 being pretty much hollow inside (but thick sheet metal -lol). The GT seems a lead sled for its size. That is the price of door crash beams, crush zones, collapsable steering columns, power windows, cruise control, air bags, 3 point belts, air conditioning, sound proofing, anti lock brakes, fuel injection, etc.... all that heavy safety..... schtufff.

Ah, the good old days.

People are now complaining the new Chrysler 300 and Charger weigh 4000..... mmmmmmm, I wonder why.... lol. And they are ugly too.

I think he said that the 57 does not have any rear end and his buddy has a Lincoln 9.
Why spend the money on chopping a 9 when a Granada 8 will do everything fine???????

If he ever puts a 460 in it, the 9 can be had then.
 
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