Wikipedia said:In Chapter 7 the business ceases operations, a trustee sells all of its assets, and then distributes the proceeds to its creditors. Any residual amount is returned to the owners of the company. In Chapter 11, in most instances the debtor remains in control of its business operations as a debtor in possession, and is subject to the oversight and jurisdiction of the court.
Jon , if you'll look at our post count we have been on here for quite some time offering tech advice and trying to help wherever possible. No lawyers from here coming on to spin anything but I will say this.Jon said:Just highlighting a nuance of these bankruptcy posts, that the FordMuscle.com article pointed out. I'm certain we'll be seeing more of them .
Obviously, any form of bankruptcy is a significant red flag. However, Chapter 11 bankruptcy is more of a reorganization, whereas Chapter 7 bankruptcy is a liquidation of assets, typically followed by a termination of business.
Also, keep an eye out for company people making the rounds of forums to spin these bankruptcies as "a slimming-down for a leaner, stronger company" or other some such garbage. We've seen that in the past, and we'll see it again in the future.
Jon, you just jogged my memory enough to fill in the dots with that post. I told the wife last night that user name was familiar but couldn't remember.Jon said:I'd really like to know more about the relationship between the "Tech @ BG" username, and the "TechGuy" username.
For example, "TechGuy" first signed up on our forum to defend PowerTV, the company that mass-spammed forums and lied to thousands of people, as well as defend Comp Cams, one of the main sponsors of PowerTV. Details are here: PowerTV Stealth Marketing Campaign. Or, just type "powertv" into Google; it's on the front page of results. TechGuy said that he had actually "been here for a long time". By my understanding, the implication was that Tech @ BG and TechGuy were the same person, using multiple usernames. True?
We haven't heard from TechGuy in over 7 months. Now, he's back in action, to enlighten us on the details of the Barry Grant bankruptcy. Barry Grant employee? Former employee?
Anyway, the point of my post was to alert people to potential "messaging" tactics by the companies involved, and to scale down the drama of the word "bankruptcy".
We have numerous business owners and employees on this forum, from throughout the entire industry. The vast majority of them seem to behave themselves quite well, make valuable contributions to this community, and are greatly appreciated.
Jon... I think you are blowing this way out of proportion when there is no need to. You can check with any of the members here and you will not find where we have "spammed" them on or off the board, thats not our deal. We post when somebody has a problem and if somebody sends us a pm we respond and that it is. Same with many of the other boards and we even have boards contact us asking us to be a part of thier forum because of the way we conduct ourselves.Jon said:I agree. [email protected] has been a long-term technical asset to this forum. However, there is a conflict involving Barry Grant's potential involvement with PowerTV, a deceptive stealth marketing company that has spammed numerous forums, and been banned on dozens. For example, one of their marketers repeatedly lied about what cars he owned. On a GM forum, he claimed to own a GTO. On a Toyota forum, he claimed to own a Toyota. On a BMW forum, he said that he owned a BMW. On a Ford Forum, he even claimed to own a "1990" Ford Focus (Focuses weren't even manufactured until 2000). Etc.
Also, when confronted with the duplicitous nature of one of their marketers' communications, James Lawrence, the CEO of PowerTV, accused us of threatening to "take him out", in this thread on 3.8mustang.com. In addition to the accusation of what I perceived as threatening to murder someone, PowerTV's CEO also mentioned some garbage about stealing "personal photos" from his honeymoon.
To further confound the issue, we now have the realization that the [email protected] username is used by multiple people, one of whom now appears to be a former employee who is popping in to do what appears to me to be some spin work in the carburetor industry, under a new username. While I admit that our guidelines don't specifically enunciate such nuanced applications of multi-use usernames, it's a solid example of why companies should only use one username per person.
If Barry Grant doesn't pay PowerTV to do marketing for them, that's wonderful, and we look forward to many more years of shared communication. However, if they're deploying techs to answer questions on forums, while also paying stealth marketers on the side to spam those same forums and lie to their members, then, unfortunately, they'll have to sever ties with this forum, and, most likely, others as well.
Jon said:I will repeat that "Tech @ BG" has been an asset to this forum. I do think that having multiple people use the same login might not be a great idea, for the reasons illustrated here. "Alan @ BG", "Bob @ BG", "Carl @ BG" might be a better strategy. That way, if someone leaves the company, their username can be discontinued, but the " @ BG" moniker will still be recognized. I don't see this practice as deceptive, just one that, over time, we can all learn from, including myself.
"Not been part of their marketing and spam campaign" is something that I heard from many of the involved companies. They pay PowerTV for marketing and promotion, but, of course, not for the mass forum spam campaigns involving their products. If they didn't know it was happening, then they should've terminated their relationships with PowerTV upon finding out, not sat idly as PowerTV continued the same exact tactics. Once you find out what they're doing, and you continue your business relationship without curtailing their activity, it means you're complicit.
SEMA's name has been repeatedly tied to stealth marketing campaigns involving our forum, and many, many others.
Once again, I will repeat that "Tech @ BG" has been an asset to this forum. If you no longer work with PowerTV, that's wonderful. If you still do, then you can't post here in your capacity as an employee of an automotive company that does business with PowerTV. Same goes for any other company, and we will be enforcing that rule over the long term.
I look forward to hearing back from you on Monday.
Jon... there is nothing to sort out here and I really don't understand the witch hunt you are on. I have always been supportive in my support for you as has Barry Grant Inc and this is the way we get rewarded?Jon said:I definitely see your point about trying to cut back on a flood of phone calls of forum-goers asking for a specific person they remember from a forum.
But anonymity (or, in this case, ambiguity) is a double-edged sword. Now, because the "Tech @ BG" username was used by more than one person, you have to deal with a separate headache -- sorting out the conflated identities of that username. When the person who previously was "Tech @ BG" shows up here with a brand new username, on a mission to spin for PowerTV, it can reflect poorly on Barry Grant.
On another note, it looks like SEMA is pleased with PowerTV's behavior. Melissa Lawrence was elected to the SEMA Businesswoman's Network, and James Lawrence was a candidate for SEMA's Robert E. Peterson Media Award.
Perhaps SEMA rewarded them for spamming so many forums, or trying to convince people that we threatened to murder them.
My thoughts as well.Irelands child said:I guess I will weigh in.
I don't use the BG carbs but that doesn't mean that I don't have a respect for the product. With that said, I have read many of the posts made by Tech and find them extremely informative and helpful to me and most likely as well as the original posters. If BG at one time in the past supported the Power TV crap, so be it!! Do they now? If so, Jon you have a point. If not, then as a fairly long time poster here feel that I can make a point then that this is a witch hunt and your micro attention with BG is unwarranted. Please let BG make their case and let's get on with the intent and mission of this forum that you normally run so very well.