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Army Strong
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My Grandfather has 3 VolksWagens that are sitting in a field of broomstraw rotting away. the side skirts are starting to fall off so its getting a good bit of rust damage. I want to know is it worth the effort to drag at least one of them out and try to make a racer out of it? I've seen the episode of PINKS where they raced the beetle and wanted to know was it realistic for an ametur to try it. My grandfather was a VW mechanic so i know he could answer my tech questions but is it worth it or should i leave them a rotting.

I also have had an offer to clean out my VW stash of the 3 for a trade to a 1965 Mustang Coupe which need a new interior or a 1997 240sx with a nissan RD28DDT engine(skyline engine)..

i'd rather have the mustang b/c eventhough its not a GT .. it still would be neat.

and if i'm not mistaken with alot of work couldnt it be transformed to a GT?


which option should i stick with?


-Scott
 

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6 Cylinder 1965 Mustang?! GET IT! www.fordsix.com will be your next stop! Make a real fast 6er. You'll have a great time with that mustang, learn more than you ever though, have fun re-doing the upholstery, and have fun getting looks everywhere you go. =))) You'll like the mustang more than anything else you listed, guaranteed. I wouldn't waste my time on rotting VWs, but if that's what you want to do, then I would suggest you go that route. Still though, for my money, get the pony!!!
 

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The Mustang is worth more than the 3 VWs............It is a more basic car also, so parts wont be as hard to find or as expensive. I think you will be happier with it in the long run.
That said, VWs are fun to work on too.
 

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I tend to agree. But if the Mustang has a six and a manual transmission, be aware that the trans is extremely weak and won't take anything remotely resembling abuse. Mine was on its 13th overhaul when it got T-boned to death at 28,000 miles. My mother even tore it up once.

I also like VW's, but you'll find hotrod parts are not exactly cheap, and the amount of money it would take to make it actually fast would be exorbitant, at best. But for a cheap, easy-to-work-on, dependable driver, they can't be beat. And you have parts cars if you need them. If you decide to mess with them, get a copy of John Muir's book "How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive", preferably the oldest version you can find. Your grandfather may know of the book, but if not, he'll surely get a few laughs out of it.
 

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So you have a choice between a 65 Stang and some junk Vdubs? If you can't figure this one out on your own, you shouldn't be posting here... :pain:

But to answer your question: YES, a Vdub can be a rockin 1/4 miler. Way back when in Detroit there was a 9 sec Volks running a 4cyl Volks engine. He musta put mucho $$$$$ into it though to get it to run like that.
 

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So you have a choice between a 65 Stang and some junk Vdubs? If you can't figure this one out on your own, you shouldn't be posting here... :pain:

But to answer your question: YES, a Vdub can be a rockin 1/4 miler. Way back when in Detroit there was a 9 sec Volks running a 4cyl Volks engine. He musta put mucho $$$$$ into it though to get it to run like that.

haha

i know i should be thinking straight..

but i think the V dubs would be cool flyin down the track

but i'd get alot more looks from blower stickin out a 428 CJ on a Mustang Coupe.

haha

so i guess i am pretty stupid...

but i was convinced right after i posted that by reading some threads on here

thanks

-scott
 

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I have had both

If the bottom is not rusted out of the Mustang,take it. I have owned/driven both 65 Mustangs and several 1970's Beetles. The money put into a Mustang will be better spent in my opinion. Bud
 

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Sure VW's can be hot rodded. He's my C/A from the mid 70's. SBC, tunnel ram, and a clutch turbo all sitting in a Chapman Chassis with a gutted VW shell slung over the top. There's a gazillion Mustangs out there. But 11 second bugs...now those are pretty rare. And yes that's me in the second shot...filling the radiator between runs.



 

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VW bug engines are great to learn on. They are more like motorcycle engines than Detroit iron though. They aren't that expensive to build, not taking everything into consideration. Instead of having to tank and bore the block, then fit pistons and rings, you buy replacement cylinders complete with pistons and rings (sometimes even installed) and bolt them on. The only limit to engine size is how big someone makes these "jugs". Compare building to a traditional four and the costs will be about the same.

You don't need any heavy machine tools to work on a VW engine either. It's line bored with a special boring bar powered by a heavy duty 1/2" drill. you can pull the engine with the help of a buddy and/or a floor jack. They are great to learn mechanics on. Limited in power, but less limited than other four cylinders out there. You can't compare it to a V-8, but it has more power potential than the 200 inch Ford six -- mostly due to limiting factors of the Ford design.

Why does the guy want to trade the Mustang? I'd look it over real good before deciding. Floors and the cowl (which likely leaks -- that's common) can be replaced easy enough, but make sure there's no major chassis damage. The support ("frame") rails can be replaced, but that's a lot of work! The running boards and floors of the bug are pretty easy to replace. Nearly everything on the bug is easy to work on/replace -- it was designed to be repaired by small shops easily. I can't think of many other cars that were designed from the start to be easy to repair. Most are designed to be easy to manufacture, repair is secondary. Dr. Porsche designed the bug for both (Yes, THAT Dr. Ferdinand Porsche, of sports car fame).
 

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Here's mine. I bought it for $100. Spent about another $150 to rebuild the engine, $325 for drop spindles & disc brakes, another $75 for new master cylinder and all rubber brake lines.

I think it is a cool in-town beater.

 

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oh well

but i'm going with the stang i belive...
so now i need some help with design plans
b/c i want it to be street/strip car
so the interor needs to be awesome ..
its going to be gutted so i'll install new radio and speakers and what not.. .. i think i can get my hands on a 428CJ.if not i'll find a 351C

but racing bucketseat with racing seatbelt for the left side.
racing.. LEANING bucket seat for right side.. racing seat belt?
rear seats going to be re-covered.. and regular seat belts

carpet.. idk

dash will be stock

the gauges might be left alone except for maybe a tach and the 3 gauge pod under the center dash



..sorry if this seems redundant.. but i copied it from an email.. so if yal didnt know.. i'm stickin stang.. sorry VW fans
 

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I think a few months back in Car Craft or something they had a feature on some Ford car (mustang, pinto? I cant remember) with the inliner and they were running pretty fast. No built 302, but for sure will get more looks come cruise night!

The ford inliners, just like the AMC/Jeep inliners have the intake and exhaust ports on the same side of the cylinder bank which limits flow. a "crossflow" engine is more efficent. (intake on one side of cylinder bank, exhaust on the other).

When the time comes (it runs like a champ with almost 187,782 miles) I'll rebuild my Jeep 4.0 as a mild stroker, aiming for everyday driveability, reliability, and more low end torque.
 

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well thank you for yall's opinions

i'm goin with the mustang.. and will get final word tomorrow on it

so thanks to all

if you search me .. i have a few other threads where yall can add your thoughts

and i'm starting up a journal

thanx again

-cam
 
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