unstable said:
I think it'd be better to say "If POR was owned by someone in government, it would be on the Golden Gate bridge".
LOL
You got me there
Honestly, if POR (and I am refering to ANYTHING with the POR name on it) did everything they say it does, it would be the biggest news in thousands of industries around the world. It would change the way business is ran and projects are built, ALL OVER THE EARTH. You wouldn't find it at a booth at a swap meet.
You would find filling cargo ships in 55 gallon drums going all over the world and POR would be at the top of the NY stock exchange fortune 500. Well, it ISN'T, it is a little piddly company that if this product really worked like they say PPG, DuPont or some other "big boy" would buy them with the money eqivilant to what they use on toliet paper in the executive bathrooms. Or of course they would simply make thier own, POR isn't some big secret space age formula.
The POR claims are much like Diet pills, BULL. And like the diet pill, there is no REAL studies that I know of that they can brag about. You may be able to say "it looks like it works" on the stuff that you have done. But unless you had BLIND studies with other products and a standard, you know nothing. Those diet pills, they use similar "clinical tests". They give the pills to a thirty or forty overwieght people and after six months they ask them if they have lost weight. THAT IS NOT A TRUE TEST. A REAL pharmaceutical company would start the test with hundreds to thousands of people. These people would be broken up into groups (WITHOUT THEM KNOWING WHAT GROUP THEY ARE IN) and given the new drug, a drug they want the new one to replace maybe) and for sure a Placebo (sugar pill that does nothing). These people would then be studied after a period of time, sometimes years, to see the effects. When POR does something like that and proves POR does everything they say it does, it will be biggest news item in many industries as I said before. But no, it is only a big news item with home hobbiest.
Now, it you think I don't understand what a home hobbiest faces trying to do this stuff on cars, you havn't read all my posts, that is for sure. There are few people who support the home hobbiest more than me. I FULLY understand the limitations in money, skill, time, space, tools, etc. the home hobbiest faces. I have had on going arguments with other pros over these issues. Lap welds over butt welds (I think lap welds are often "good enough"), "Bondo" over metal finishing (I'm sorry metal finishing is WAY over the head of most home hobbiest and plastic filler unlike POR is a PROVEN product), Totally stripinig cars (WAY over done and has been the death of too many home hobbiest projects, SUPER overwhelming). The "Bestest way" is "good enough" to me in many ways. I am NOT going to tell a home hobbiest that he is a hack or something for not doing something "right".
I am so adamant on the POR issue because of the brain washing they have done. I swear, people talk about this stuff like it is the second coming of Christ. It is a BAND AID at best. It COVERS UP rust. It doesn't "convert" it doesn't "Bond'. What in the crap does "Bond with rust" mean? The surface of the rust isn't even bonded with the metal! It is like spraying paint over dirt because the paint will "Bond" with the dirt.
There IS a place for "POR", I agree, I have some I was going to do the floor in my 72 Bug with, in place of doing it RIGHT.
As long as everyone who mentions POR is in the full understanding that it is less than right, as long as they knew that, everything is cool. But they don't know that! People talk about the stuff like it is actually doing what the POR ads say! That is what gripes me.
I am NOT instulting anyone who uses it. If that is what you need to do to get the car out on the road and enjoy it, cool. I am more insulting POR and the claims IT makes.
As for working for Boyd, have you watched those shows on Discovery? Honestly, most anyone who reads this forum could work there. I have actually been to a lot of that kind of shops, the work they do isn't very impressive. No only that, I actually have looked into working at a couple pretty famous shops, they pay about $20,000 less than what I make fixing late model Hondas and SUVs. It is like being a musician, no kidding, it takes years marketing ones self to make enough money to feed a family on custom or street rod work.
