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currently i have a 79 z28 with a cam intake and a carb... currently a 13.8 1/4 mile.... i have a 670 cfm street avenger on it and i think whats killing the power is the heads... im looking to go to some double hump heads due to the fact they are everywhere and are rather cheap. My plan was to get some 461 or 462 heads and spend some spare time porting and polishing them. The pistons i have are 4 valve flat top and with the 76 cc combustion chamber on the heads i have now.. the main question is going to a double hump head with a 64 cc chamber should bring me in the neighborhood of 9.5:1 compresstion, but how much more hp would i actually gain from going 8.6:1- 9.5:1 with the performer rpm intake and 670 cfm carb. the exhaust is a full header with flowmaster 40's.

would it be worth it to go to ported and polished double humps approx 400-450 invested or should i just save my money for new heads like the dart shp for 900 ??
 

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That bump in compression is worth only 4%-5% more power. If you are making 300 HP, you get a whole 12 more horses.

Save your money, buy the Darts, and put a cam in it that will take advantage of the better flow numbers of the new modern heads. Don't forget, it's not just the ports that are better on the new heads, the new heart or kidney shaped chambers are head and shoulders superior to the old bathtub style chambers of double hump heads.
 

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really??!?!

only 12??? the cam is a comp cams magnum 480 lift and 280 duration... so the cam is good due to the fact im running 3.73 with a Detroit and s street fighter turbo 350..... the rpm intake being 1500-6500 and going to the 670 cfm as opposed to the 600 that's on there now.... i thought between the intake the carb and going to 2.02's and a 64 cc would gain around 50 hp or so.....
 

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You asked how much more power you would get with the compression increase. 4-5% is the answer. Sure, add after market heads and you'll gain more, like around 40. But just swapping double humps in place of the smog heads? You have the answer.
 

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Yes. Vortec heads are better for street engines. It's not popular, but the fact is, "double hump" heads were obsolete in '69 when 041 "arrived". They also lack the accessory mounting holes needed for anything after '67. Not an insurmountable obstacle, just an unnecessary one.

A more modern cam grind would help, too. The Magnum series were good "in their day", but that was 20 years ago. We far prefer the Xtreme Engergy grinds today. The Lunati "VooDoo" grinds are also very good for a modern build. If running "pump gas", these are much better.

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Any modern head with a heart or kidney shape chamber is the way to go. Edelbrock, Dart, AFR, Brodix, RHS, etc. all make excellent heads that would give comparable performance on the street. Scoggin Dickey modified Vortecs would be a good head as Cobalt suggested, the 180 cc port Bowtie Vortec would be even better. Buy whatever head you can get the best deal on. Remember, it's better to buy a bare head and build them up with quality parts.

I have the 041 heads that P-body refers to. I will be replacing next year with heads with modern chambers and port designs.

Many people are turned off by the aggresive ramp profiles of the Extreme Energy Cams. I run a EX-262 which is mild and have had no problems. Something to take into account.
 

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im just trying to run something better than a high 13 1/4 mile.... everything else is good to go... like i said before tci street fighter turbo 350 12 bolt with locker and 3.73... when i put the heads on ill be putting on a performer rpm and a 670 street master...im just trying to get around 400 hp that should get me mid to low 13's.... i was figuring about another 50 hp minimum with the new heads , intake and carb... maybe im being foolish with my time goals idk
 

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An engine is an air pump, more air in, more power out.

Quality heads will help you the most, with the proper support parts = cam , intake , exhaust.

I ran double hump heads on my first 'hot motor' I built when I was 16 yrs old. I am now north of 55 yrs old.

Buy the modern heads is my suggestion
 

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Using modified double hump heads. They can actually be made to work quite well if you know how to do them.



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Holley 600 dp, choke horn milled and blended, Primary - 69, Secondary – 74, Squirters - 21
1/2" Aluminum open spacer port matched to manifold, exterior polished
Edelbrock Performer RPM, port matched, exterior polished with all extraneous castings and lettering removed
Homemade lifter valley splash shield to keep hot oil off manifold bottom
Camel hump 1.94/1.50 heads hogged out to 2.02/1.60, pocket ported, port matched, pump-friendly hardened seats, 3-angle valve job
Cylinder bores clearanced to unshroud the valves
Comp Cams 1.52:1 roller-tip rockers
Crane Cam Vintage Muscle 327/350 hp cam, 222 degrees @ 0.05, 0.447" lift (with 1.50 rockers)
Doug Thorley headers, dechromed and ceramic-coated
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DynoMax stainless Ultra Flow mufflers
Millerspeed 1-1/2” Gilmer under drive belt drive system (added after dyno run and found by Car Craft to add 10 hp @ 5,500 RPM)
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I'm using the 462 double humps. They are not the 2.02, however, and they are about 62-63cc. I am also using flat tops, and my cr is estimated around 10:1.

Most noticable, I have seen a drastic change in throttle response, just a snappy motor. I did not port and polish however, in that I feel these heads are worth more original, meaning I do plan to use aluminum heads in the future. In the end, the biggest perk for using these double humps has been saying that my engine has the "double hump, or camelback" head. I spent $250 on them---complete and ready to go from an old drag racer on craigslist. I put new springs on them, that's it. Also I am using a lunati cam 1500-5500 rpm range.
 

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I would save my money and buy the Dart heads. With the aluminum heads you can get away with more compression. Upgrade the camshaft, 4:11 or 4:56 gears, 3500 stall, and a Holley 750. Possible to get into the 12's with these upgrades and a whole lot more fun to drive.
 

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the old double humps make great heads for 350hp, a valve job and some port clean up is about all they need...

They make lousy heads for anything approaching 400hp as they are way too small.
 

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The carb is way too small. Get a 750. Get a 10" 3500+stall. you want 4.10-4.30 or 4.56 gears in that car.


Some of the 76cc heads really suck (882, 624 etc) and should be avoided at all cost
SOme are better and have good potential with porting.
487X 441(X) 920

Old 462's 041's 186 etc can work well with porting etc but most are used up or cracked.
Usually cheaper to just go to a aftermarket head and port that if you want.

Vortecs rock. expect 60-80hp more a ton more torque and up to 1 full sec ET reduction over what you got now.

I don't bother looking for old fuelie heads any more. There is way too much good affordable new stuff to work with, now .
( Brodix IK200, Dart platinum Pro1 200cc and up)
Jegs has some cool 195cc aluminum heads they sell under there house brand name. I believe they are a Profiler "USA" casting.
The price is definatly right.

What is the car's MPH from your Drag time slips?
This tells you how much Horsepower you are making.
The time slips tell you a lot.

The 670cfm carb is way to small if you every want o go fast, new heads or

not.

If you are a low buck cheap *** do it your self er like me
I have had very good results with fully home pored 1.94x 1.60" valve #4416 305HO heads.
Not bad for the money invested but you must do the porting yourself and watch the budget.
easy High compression, good flow once ported.
12sec et's are easy with these heads once worked.
Keep it under $500 or go aftermarket.

If that interests you search my old posts. If not , cool....
882 heads isn't that bad. i did a et of 13.525 last weekend wit standard front suspension in a 72 nova 3600lbs 60ft time 1.83 now i got 90/10 shocks and a race on Saturday. i think i will get down to the 12s with the 882 :thumbup:
 
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