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The sunbird engine may have been the "brazil" engine, not the 122. i need to do more in-depth research. "Brazil" engine = overhead cam, 122 engine = pushrods.

Nevertheless, i'm confident that the 122 engine can handle 200hp "no problem." (Just remember where the advice is coming from.....:))
 

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What 122(2.0) are you refering to?

To my knowledge every NA fuel injected ohc 2.0 has been transverse.

Except for the turbocharged 2.0 solstice platform. Good luck finding a partout or wrecked turbocharged solstice though.
 

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There are many small truck fours. I'm planning a four cylinder for my 61 Rambler American convertible. So wife can drive it I think I'm going with an auto... which just gives me a reason to build another for a fun car with a stick later. I'll probably search out a Jeep Cherokee or Dodge Dakota with the AMC/Jeep 2.5L. It uses the four/small V-6 Chevy bell pattern because when it was developed in the early 80s AMC was buying 2.8L V-6s from Chevy -- so they made their four with the same pattern to save money on transmissions. Dodge later dropped their own 2.5L in favor of the AMC/Jeep engine because it had better low speed torque characteristics -- better suited for a truck. These came in 2WD with Aisin Warner AX-4 and AX5 (four and five speeds) manuals. They aren't real slick, fast shifters. Not great for racing, but fine for daily driving. They hold up well behind the four also. I'm also considering the 2.9L Chevy four already mentioned, and also Nissan and Toyota fours -- but more recent models. I'm just a bit concerned about the EFI computer. Might just re-wire for a Microsquirt, which may be the easy way out. If you can find a Miata engine and trans that would be nice!
 

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You might not like this. But if building for lightweight and 200hp a transverse setup with a manual WILL be lighter then a rwd setup.

I would look for something like a transverse 2.2 (L61) dwb ecotech. From like a 02-06 saturn. Drop out and bolt up the entire engine cradle including the manual rack and control arms. Build upper arms and run cantilever coils. Then use the electric power steering in your lightweight body.

Parts are dirt cheap, cars are everywhere, easy to work on engine, and full plug and play standalone (with a manual) can be done for $500-$1000 depending on how you want it tuned.

E85 compatability and I would expect 30-35mpg while having very little wheel slip.
 

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The problem with using a FWD setup is the type of car being built. I've actually had discussions with a fellow about using such a setup in a 61-63 Rambler American mainly because they are so cheap and plentiful. That is a unit body car, but it's the old style -- looks like a frame underneath but it's made of folded 18 gauge sheet metal and welded to the floor. The "rails" run from bumper to bumper. So cut the floor out in the backseat and over the axle area and drop it on a FWD cradle and suspensiotn, weld or otherwise anchor the tie rod ends to the cradle. We decided an auto trans would be easy since you just have to have a longer shift cable. A stick would be difficult due to shift cables or linkage, but a hydraulic clutch would be easy enough. I've seen a track-T done this way to, with a small engine under a covered little pickup bed in the back, radiator in front, luggage area where engine would have been with hard sides.

The other way is to put it in front. That means designing something... different. I've considered making a "morganesque" large three wheeler using a small three or four cylinder up front. Would be wider, but lust leave the engine hanging out in the open upfront with the radiator either right behind the engine or in the back. One or two wheel in back, depends on how you want to register (motorcycle or use donor car title).
 

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Theres always the Nissan/Datsun or Toyota compact pickup truck engines. I like the look of the dual plug motors myself.
A lot of the 2wd pickups came with stick shifts and pretty stiff rear axle gears.

Transmission will not be a close ratio 1st gear roadracer kind of deal, but if you stick to 2, 3 and 4 for performance use...should be pretty damn fun to drive. 4 banger trannies tend to have pretty close ratio intermediate gears.
 

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Ok an automatic complicates things a bit. This will be model specific. But you have 3 methods.
One is to run the engine standalone using a standalone ECU for the engine that works with the factory TCU(transmission control unit). The transmission acts stock as the TCU sees everything is factory.

This locks you into factory shift points and factory shift pressure. But may be your best option for 200hp.

The second way is to have full engine standalone ECU and a seperate standalone TSU. Full control of everything as well as the option to run a automatic "better" then stock such as more speeds or better ratios. But this will be expensive and could be complicated.

The 3rd way is to run a "dumb" transmission that does not use a controller. Good chance your loosing overdrive or will have a 4 speed instead of a 5 or 6 speed. But it is simple.


Of course all the above is heavly dependent on the 4 cylinder and rwd transmission you choose.

The issue is that your going to find most all aluminum 4 cylinders are going to bolt up to "dumb" transmissions. You may be looking at a cast block(like a ford 2.3/2.5) or a all aluminum engine that can be bolted to a older "dumb" transmission via an adapter.
 

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What 122(2.0) are you refering to?

To my knowledge every NA fuel injected ohc 2.0 has been transverse.

Except for the turbocharged 2.0 solstice platform. Good luck finding a partout or wrecked turbocharged solstice though.
Sorry for my slow reply.

The 122 engine is the chevy/gm 4 cyl that was in the j-bodies/berreta /corisica etc. and then the s-10 eventually got it. This one was pushrods. Pontiac buick and oldsmoboggie also had a 1.8 - 2.0 but this one was OVC----referred to as the "brazil" engine (i'm ASSuming becuase it was sourced from GM brazil?), but they all may have eventually switched to the chevy 122?

Also, the chevy 122 may have actually been designed by opel?

i'm not super clear on all this.
 

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There are ways to convert the 4G63 to RWD; it was used in the D50 pick up.
:: Project Zero G :: - Transmissions

Not sure what your budget is, but BluePrint Engines just released a 4cyl LS derivative.
Did the release it, or are they thinking about releasing it.

Wondiferous if they did.

This block is based on the 153 chevy? Which of course is a chopped chevy straight 6?
 

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Ok, one more suggestion and i'll stop and get back to work; It's basically mental [email protected]#$#tubation on my part, although the OP may find it useful:

The GM LTG 2.0 turbocharged engine (not to be confused with the "122" engine) is not available as a "crate engine" anymore, but IS still available as a service replacement engine. i think this came in the cobalt SS etc. and i think comes in the new base camaro? And since it comes in the camaro, you've got rwd trans choices.

275hp @ 5500
295 tq @ 3000

Pricey, but i think competitive with the Blueprint engine if they ever release it.....


Or maybe find a wrecked camaro and take the whole drivetrain, fuel system, computers etc. out.
 

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An internet friend put an AMC/Jeep 2.5L in his 59 Rambler American wagon. He mated it to a "dumb" 700R4. As I noted earlier, AMC/Jeep used the Chevy small V-6 pattern on their four because they were buying the 2.8L V6 from Chevy for the 84-86 Jeep XJ Cherokee. That way they could use the same transmissions. They were using Chrysler three speed automatics at the time, a special made A-904 (has the Chevy small V-6 bolt pattern). The 700R4 he used came from an early 90s S-10. The 2.8L was used from 82-93.
 
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I don't think you will find a RWD trans for the Subaru -- but then I don't know if it uses a unique bell housing bolt pattern or matches some other manufacturer. I would think it is unique to Subaru though. Being a flat four it's very wide, but short!
 

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not pushing the subaru engine Im not really a fan. I do know the subaru engine fits inside the cowl of a Cessna 150 and those are small planes. The short part of the engine gets it back further for better handling.
Personally l would use a 13b Maxda tuned for 275 hp. The engine is around 200 pounds and revs reliably to 8500 rpm if needed?
 
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