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Jon said:
<major SNIPPAGE>

(That's in .mov format, which you should be able to play with the QuickTime player. I'll be working on converting it to other formats as well. We'll need Flash Video Format and Windows Media Player Format for starters.)
I'm on ~self-censored~ dial-up but that's worth downloading. wget estimates 3 hours, 56 minutes. I think mplayer will handle .mov and will let you know, later. Thanks for providing a plain link for downloading the file from that page, instead of just the stream!

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Gas Monkey Garage used us. They ignored our guidelines, spammed our forums, and insulted our intelligence with pathetic propaganda and duplicitous "let's donate to charity" marketing tactics. We asked for a genuine apology many times, and we never got one. We asked them to please remove the video from the web, and they ignored us. When we spoke our minds, they used harmless legal scare tactics to try and intimidate us into ignoring our rights to free speech. It's disgusting, and we're not going to roll over and let it happen.

Once again, here's that link: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/monkeyboys.html .
I don't really have any reply to that last quoted part, I just thought it ought to be repeated. :)
 

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grouch -- I'll work on a smaller flash version tomorrow. I still have much to learn about converting between these various formats. And, I'm sure there are some tricks for making smaller-filesize movies.

BTW everyone, here's another lovely short film also starring Richard: Richard Rawlings, Bullrun Impresario. That's their title, not mine. Kids, be sure to look up the word "Impresario". I think you'll be very impres-sed.

Also, as a reminder, don't forget the name of the marketing company that put this together: "Dodgy Monkey". Of course, dodgy means "sneaky, evasive, and dishonest".

You can't make this stuff up. Well, maybe you can. But it wouldn't be as funny :).


In other news, it looks like we're now on the first page of Google search results for the term "gas monkey garage".



Perhaps we should correct the title of this thread, as the notion that they came here to ask our help in giving away a free hot rod is inaccurate. Of course, whatever title we give the thread is what will appear as the title text in search engine listings.


 

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Go Jon GO!!!

Funny how the kids are back now that there is some controversy over someone building one of those beaters they seem to cherish...

It's called READING, children, I hope you were paying attention in school. The attack is over the shameless stuffing this so-called badboy image down our throats, under the guise of doing something for charity. Jon has every right to make parodies of their pictures or videos, it's called your First Amendment rights, popularized in the movie "The people VS Larry Flynt".

Larry runs a publishing company that produces Hustler magazine, and one of the things that got him in legal trouble was a cartoon of Jerry Falwell. It suggested things that this religious messenger was clearly against doing, and Falwell sued Hustler in the Supreme Court. Hustler countersued, saying Falwell was contesting Hustlers right to free speech, and won. They argued that someone in the public image can reasonably expect that not all people will like them, and some may want to poke fun at them or portray them in a negative way.

The very same thing happens whenever the Klan wants to come somewhere to spread their hate messages. According to our own Constitution, we must give them a venue to speak, whether the message is good or bad.

The guys at GMG surely had known this when they decided to post their monkey-spanking picture for all the world to see (and make fun of). Jon is perfectly within his... no, perhaps I should say ALL OUR rights to rip on GMG and the marketing crew responsible for this thread. I for one support his efforts 100% because HE is the admin for THIS site.... if YOU don't like (notice I know how to spell, cripes, even my 8 yr old daughter knows it is not L-I-E-K :rolleyes: )dont let the door hit you in the ***** on the way out, and GOOD RIDDANCE!

Notice there has still been NO apology from the GMG crew or the marketers for putting this BS on OUR site??? In some ways I think that in this case negative publicity is also just fine with them, after all, they are supposed to be the badboys of hotrodding...fueling the fire maybe?


Give 'em hell Jon.... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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wing nut said:
dude what the **** is wrong with you what gives you the right to go and ruin someones image

you know how bad this makes you look he came on here for some help for a charity and you just got pissed off adn are tryin to ruin gmg

ad far as the whole bad boy thing its better than bein a ****in ***** internet warrioor like you

so what if hes a sell out atleast he doesnt owna company and have people build **** and he takes the credit for all of it if you noticed on there he showed his employeees not just him

just read over the whole thing again and realize what a bunch of *******s you guys sound like
You know, it never ceases to amaze me that some people are just not educated enough to be able to express themselves without the use of four letter words. The post above is a perfect example of an immature person trying to say something without the communication skills necessary to do so.

Perhaps Wing Nut should start paying attention in school instead of surfing the internet and making a fool of himself. He not only seems to have a problem communicating without using profanity but he also can't spell. One has to wonder how many years he's spent in the 3rd grade.
 

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grouch -- I'll work on a smaller flash version tomorrow. I still have much to learn about converting between these various formats. And, I'm sure there are some tricks for making smaller-filesize movies.
The download finally finished. Xine won't play it but mplayer would. No audio:

"Requested audio codec family [qdmc] (afm=qtaudio) not available.
Enable it at compilation.
Cannot find codec for audio format 0x324D4451.
Read DOCS/HTML/en/codecs.html!"

The docs the error message refers to can be seen online at
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/installation_codecs.html

It's showing up as a small image in a 384x288 window. I never bothered downloading the original, so I don't know what resolution it was.

Any reason not to encode the video as mpeg2, like a DVD?
 

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Jon,

The process and time involved in this thread is impressive and interesting. A lot of thought is taking place throughout our community and is spreading around the net.

What actions will take place if and hopefully when they apologize?
Is there a chance they come to senses if a bone is thrown to them?

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Dutchman said:
Jon,

The process and time involved in this thread is impressive and interesting. A lot of thought is taking place throughout our community and is spreading around the net.

What actions will take place if and hopefully when they apologize?
Is there a chance they come to senses if a bone is thrown to them?

Dutch
I have been wondering about that myself.............
 

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This thread is as good as the Charlie Wenzel thread that was on the 4x4 board that was all over the net before. Keep up the good work Jon! Your pics are cracking me up.
 

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I too normally don't read threads like this. The title just told me something is up and it would be advertising. After multiple pages I decided I would look at why their were so many posts. Eghww, glad I didnt' just eat lunch. I don't know which one he is, spank or monkey, but that one little spanker should find kurt bushs doc and get those ears pinned backed. And I think there were some pics of those millionares women he is bragging about in a few birthday threads and the I just don't get it thread. I think I will have to do a google image search for hot babe after seeing that pic over and over to balance things out. Along with sticky about advertising, a thread about if you are thinking about advertising real bad things can happen to you. Hopefully this will prevent some people from trying to advertise on this site if they can see the wrath that can possibly happen. Wow, never seen Jon like this before, but now know I don't want to hit the wrong nerve. I don't see why people think its good business to try to use this forum to advertise. Give people some usefull technical help without expecting something in return. When people trust your advice and remember you and need your services, they can easily click the link to your website in the pull down menu under your user name. No need to spam up the boards. I have been starting to try a diffrerent paint thanks to this board and its members recommendations. I think an apology would of been much easier then this, but we all know "Bad boys" don't cry or admit they are wrong. Even if they are putting up a front and are more into high dollar foreign crap instead of real american muscle and tough (dare I say bad) looks.
 

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ive been reading this and am very confused. can someone help me? Why is this whole hing hgappeneing? I read someone say that someone obviously didnt understand we all this was happening and it wasnt because of them offering a free car. can someone inform me, im incredibly confused!
 

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Its simple...Advertising is not allowed in these forums...under the guise of trying to find a charity ( how low can you get) they spammed these boards with advertising. They were asked to apoligize and they chose not to...so now they have to pay the price. Also they are portraying a very bad image of Hotrodders and Hotrodding.
 

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Im loving this, we hadnt had such an involved thread since Sway's true personality got covered up :thumbup:
Haha, after posting this on the Ol Skool Rodz forum, 66GMCkid (NOTACHAINER) went to the youngrodderz and they have now set a goal to email all the sites that we're posting this in and asking them to delete it. Think they're 20 members can keep up against ours?????


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Im loving this, we hadnt had such an involved thread since Sway's true personality got covered up :thumbup:
Haha, after posting this on the Ol Skool Rodz forum, 66GMCkid (NOTACHAINER) went to the youngrodderz and they have now set a goal to email all the sites that we're posting this in and asking them to delete it. Think they're 20 members can keep up against ours?????


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Please Mike, don't use simple logic to back up your argument, it's unfair and mean of us! :drunk: :thumbup:
 

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Its simple...Advertising is not allowed in these forums...under the guise of trying to find a charity ( how low can you get)
Now this wouldn't really be a bad thing if they were truely doing to help a worthwhile charity and not spamming boards to try to market themselves and that pic and rod. Not my cup of tea, isn't that the polite way to say it Henry? I didn't even watch the video that got everyone wound up, my computer is too slow for that stuff. Now if it was hotrodders members getting together to build a car for a worthwhile cause it would be a good thing. Least you know it would be legit and wouldn't go around spamming boards to promote. And I sure hope we wouldn't see any pics of Jon and Centerline in speedo's.
 

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Saturday afternoon August 26, 2006

Dear Jonathan,

I just watch your video. You seem pretty proud of it. You mention in your email that we have not responded to you, so you assume,…. Actually your below email dated August 25 is the first I have seen from you. Sorry if it was misdirected or something.

Your parody video is creative and absolutely incorrect. Your video mentions Coker Tire. Coker Tire Company does not have a relationship with Gas Monkey Garage, never done business with them nor have I ever even met this Richard or seen their video you refer to. My brother, David Coker is not an employee of Coker Tire. He has a billet aluminum style wheel company called Newstalgia Wheel, which is also headquartered here in Chattanooga. He is a fine man, runs a fine business and I absolutely do not think you are fair in your representations of him. It looks like my brother just had these guys build a car for him! Explain the crime?!?

Maybe you have some issues with this Richard guy, but making my family or my company the theme of your slam at someone else is not cool. I also think it is down right wrong, probably steps over the legal line too. You correctly indicate, it takes years, and lots of hard work to build a reputation for quality, integrity, and pride. We have done that. We take it very seriously when someone attacks our business or family’s character especially if it is misguided or absolutely wrong in this case. If you have a beef with Gas Monkey or Richard, you really should leave Coker Tire, myself or even my brother out of it.

The car guys and hotrodders I know don’t do this sort of thing? What’s up? Your plan to resolve?

Sincerely,

Corky Coker




-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: parody video involving coker tire

Hello,

My name is Jonathan. I'm the administrator for the Hotrodders
Bulletin Board.

I cannot begin to express how disappointed we were to see Coker Tire
consorting with Gas Monkey Garage.

We have created a parody video of Gas Monkey Garage's first
promotional video. We are sending it to everyone we know, and
everyone they know. We feel that it's hilarious and wonderful, and
will be spread around the web swiftly and powerfully.

Here's a link: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/monkeyboys.html

Your company is one of the few that has managed to maintain a solid
reputation among the hotrodding community throughout the years, an
extremely difficult task. We are perceiving this as a marketing
blunder, and we hope that you can send us some sort of communication
in response. Or, at very least, an indication that you will no longer
be associating yourselves with such tripe. We are receptive to all
forms of communication, be they subtle or direct.

Gas Monkey Garage spammed our forums, and manipulated our members
with their marketing tactics.

Your failure to respond to my previous inquiries is being interpreted
as a lack of desire to communicate with us. Judging from David
Coker's obvious fumbling over his lines, and his clear lack of greasy
marketing slickness, we feel that Coker Tire is not very skilled at
selling out, or pimping products for the mainstream hotrodding media.

Thanks,

Jonathan
CEO, President, and Janitor: Hotrodders.com
Administrator, Hotrodders Bulletin Board
 

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Corky,

Thanks for taking the time to post publicly in our forum. You are the first company representative involved in this situation to stand up and communicate publicly with us, and that takes guts.

And thank you for responding to one of my multiple emails to Coker Tire.

Regarding the relationship between Coker Tire and Gas Monkey Garage -- in his video, Richard says:

"We just finished building a car for David Coker. He's involved with the Coker family of Coker Tire."
Hence, we parodied this as:

"Is that David Coker? From Coker Tire?"
This seems perfectly legal to me, but I'd be happy to discuss it further if you don't think so. If this is generally perceived as unfair, I will edit that section of the video to say: "Is that David Coker? Involved with the Coker family of Coker tire?" However, my preference would be to leave the phrase "Coker Family" out of this, as I think that involving the term "family" may be out of line.

Note how Richard mentions the word "Coker" 3 times in 2 sentences. Once to connect David Coker with the Coker family, and then again to connect the Coker family with Coker tire. This is a semantic method of connecting David Coker to Coker tire.

BTW, regarding legal lines, publicly re-printing emails is a "grey zone". Same with other assumed "private" communications, such as PMs in forums. While there's nothing I'm ashamed to see in the email I sent you, it is something to keep in mind. Spamming forums, as Richard's marketing company has done, is also "technically" illegal.

Also, as we are on the subject of legal issues, it should be made known that using an interstate communications medium, such as the internet, to profit by means of "false pretenses, representations, or promises" constitutes wire fraud, a federal offense.

This is in no way whatsoever an accusation pointed at Coker Tire or Newstalgia Wheel, fine companies, as we have heard. However, we have already had company owners come on this board in the past for these purposes, so I want to make this known before other companies post in this thread. I am still looking into dodgy's spamming of our forums, and his marketing tactics, to see their exact legal classification.

I feel that it was wrong for Coker Tire to allow their good name to be associated with this tripe. I think that you guys are guilty by association, and we have the crappy job of having to call you out on it. If we don't, who will? The mags? The TV shows?

I imagine that you must be embarassed to have to hear the phrase "Coker Family" in a Richard Rawlings video.

Businesses fuel this marketing hype. I feel that calling them out on it will reduce the frequency of such events happening in the future. Every time I mention the "Coker" name in regard to this event, I have tried to specifically point out that they indeed have a great reputation among hotrodders, and that they, like us, have been duped by Gas Monkey Garage, and by the pseudo-badboy prefabricated culture that's being tossed down our throats by television-based hotrodding propaganda.

I also don't feel that "he's a good guy" or "he's a fine man" is a reasonable excuse. I am now receiving communications about how Richard Rawlings is a really good guy, and it was wrong to call him out for this.

Everyone is a "good guy". Perhaps even I am a good guy.

I'm sorry it has to be this way. I don't feel great about it. We are incredibly pissed-off about what's going on here, and we're fighting it the only way we know how. With the recent introduction of mainstream media video clips into internet culture, I fear that the internet will become like television, and that it's our duty to act to prevent it.

This is an American tradition, in line with Saturday Night Live, or numerous talk shows in which special sections are devoted to common political parodies.

Perhaps if companies established direct relationships with hotrodders, rather than communicating to them through the mainstream media, we would not be in this situation in the first place. Our door is always open, but , as of now, there is only a small and select group of companies that have taken the steps to establish a relationship of good faith with the Hotrodders Bulletin Board.

More information can be found in this new page which I've just finished: Monkey Boys Garage.

And still, we await a public and genuine apology from Richard Rawlings and Gas Monkey Garage.
 
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