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Well, I got my money back for the PPG Epoxy Primer that the auto body supply shop told me to use with DuPont Centari. As he gave me the cash, he advised me to tell all those who advised me not to mix this combo to "get into the real world."

He then said that DuPont Epoxy Primer only comes in gallons and is $166.00. Does this stuff come in quarts? I'm only painting a trunk lid and on fender.
 

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If you really want to know about painting go to AutoBodyStore.com

Len or one of the specialists there can help you.
 

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Coodeville, any advice offered to you here is only that. Feel free to do your own thing and listen to whom ever you want, the key thing here is you don't have a clue as to what your doing and you are blaming everyone here for that. It is very difficult to assist anyone over the internet and most here do their best to help. I think you'll find everyone has their own idea of how things work and how they would do a job, there are a million way to accomplish a goal.

I used to paint aircraft for 9 years and you know something when I walk into a paint supplier for paint everything has changed from only 10 years ago, I don't have a clue how all these new products interact so I stick with one mfg, at least I know it should be compatible. The advice to stick with one mfg is good, solid, safe advice that won't get you into trouble. If it costs you more then too bad.

No one is an expert with mixing and matching products, who knows what might happen 5 years down the road? When it's my hard earned cash on the line I don't take chances and neither should you, how many cars has your "saleman" painted in the last couple of years? Honestly why shoot the very people trying to help you-GEEZ!

I'm just a clown. Entertain yourself.
 

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I did want to stick to one system and the guys in the shop are trying to bull**** me. This board has offered me safe sound advise and I told the guy in the store I wanted my cash back. He came across with the money and now I'm happy. I'm going to another store with a better reputation. This isn't a matter of placing blame on the people on the board. This is a matter of placing blame on a guy who only knows stock numbers. The guy I dealt with behind the counter hadn't a clue about paint. He was a "salesman" trying to get my money and nothing more.
 

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I hate the new primers, such a waste and so expensive. I still use the old laquer type primer surfacer works fine and only 22 bucks a gallon,that mixed 50/50 with thinner gives 2 gallons sprayable and you don't have to dump out what you don't use.I know what you are going to say but if you let it dry and sand it good there are no problems.everybody is in such a hurry,I guess it's the age of instant gratification.Did you ever see a chrysler product or ford ,GM with those big spots of missing paint, kinda blown off by the wind,what you are seeing are the new primers that paint don't stick to,repaints do it also...keep your hi dollar EPA mandated primers and I'll use mine
 

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Tom has it right! Can't beat laquer primer, especially if you need to do a lot of build and block sanding. New stuff will cost $$$$$$$$. I do like the etching primers on bare metal though. Only takes a light coat so a quart will do a whole car. Then go with the laquer. Like Tom says, if you wait a week or so before sanding and let it settle, laquer is great. If you want to do the entire paint job in a day or two, you are stuck with $$$$ worth of the catalyzed stuff.

Incidentally, in California it is illegal to sell laquer primer in auto parts store but it is totally legal to sell for wood working. I just go the building supply counter in the same paint store and but it there.

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Sorry Coodeville, I misunderstood what you were trying to say. I have to agree with what everyone else has mentioned here, they can keep their high priced instant cure stuff and I will stick to good old laquer and Centari top coat. I have never had any problems with those combinations.

I had to quit spray painting years ago when I became sensitized to polyisocyanates in catylyzed paints, just before supplied air respirators became a law here in Canada. After much medical testing and lung function tests a young doctor took me aside and told me what he suspected was causing my problem (flu like symtoms). He said at my age (22) that I had all kinds of choices ahead of me and that I should seek other employment.

I went back to school.

I'm not sure if it was all the fuel tank primer that I had to spray or the teflon or epoxy crap I was painting at the time for Boeing but I have never regreted moving on and I am lot healthier for it. The other question the Doctor asked me was how many old spray painters were employed where I worked? I told him only one and he was looney as a toon, he said the average life expectancy for the profession was 45!!!! That should be enough to raise anyones eyebrows.

I guess what I am getting at is don't take chances with painting without the correct and best safety equipment money can buy especially with catylyzed paints, your life is worth more than any paint job.

Straight laquer is sounding more and more appealing to me these days, at least I can live with the solvent induced brain damage!

Hey! maybe that's why I'm such a dummy?!
 

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Tom hit it on the head. Instant gratification. The "Pepsi" got to have it now mentality. I still use laquer primer except for bare metal. I'm in no hurry when I'm in the shop. Plus, what they don't tell you is that there is something about a 3 beer, 2 shot, laquer and thinner buzz :D
 

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Thanks for all this info, guys! I'm smarter now than I ever was. In my search for supplies, I met an oldtimer who runs a paint store in NYC. This guy set me straight on the whole thing. I'm going to be using DuPont Centari and will start with their Variprime followed by the sealer. From there I will top coat withthe Centari.
 

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painting fiberglass

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i was wondering if anyone could tell me any names of books for painting fiberglass. i have painted lots of cars before but never fiberglass. is it much harder and different????:confused:
 

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I usually watch how it mixes in the mixing cup, not to be confused with the spray gun cup. If it curdles, it won't spray correctly. If it mixes fine then it works well. I only do this with the free paint I get. Don't spend money to play the curdle game.
 
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