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I am starting to wonder about that guy. It seems he still thinks he is fighting to end the Vietnam war. He has focused his entire campaign on Vietnam. Even Slick Willy told him to drop the issue, and Kerry still keeps it one of his main political stands. His numbers in the polls dropped to double digits, yet he keeps on commenting on it.

I wonder if we are going to find that he has some weirdo type obsession with the war.

Try to remember this after the elections are over:
After Kerry loses the elections, if he comes out publicly and makes more Vietnam related comments... Just remember what lluciano77 predicted!
 

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It's all he's got thats solid right now, his record is better than Bush's so he's dwelling on it, big mistake on his part. To bad Bill's laid out in the hospital I think his help is critical to Kerry's shot at winning the election.

I don't know why they don't focus on some of Bush's weaknesses, environmental issues, North Korea, how the Iraq situation was planned, executed.
 

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I would take President Bush's record any day over Kerry's!!!!!!!!

We need an elephant to stay in the White House, He won't forget. A ******* in the White House will screw everything up. He has already said one of the first things he would do is to raise taxes. JUST WHAT EVERTONE NEEDS AND WANTS, I think not!!!!!

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Kerry does not have a clue as to how to lead anything Much Much less how to lead our nation!!!!!!!! . His record against Persicent Bush's, W wins every time.
 

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lluciano77 said:
Jon's thread?

I see. It looks like Jon is finally standing up and taking a viewpoint on something. Congratulations Jon!
lmao.

I think jon just doesn't want to get dragged into the arguments. He's got kindof an aloof stance on the board and he's sort of mysterious. I can understand how you would want to remain neutral as an admin, it gives the board a chance to develop withouth people thinking that they're views are being attacked from above-

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I don't know why they don't focus on some of Bush's weaknesses, environmental issues, North Korea, how the Iraq situation was planned, executed.
Environmental issues? Kerry wants to allow Big Industries to crush old cars to get credits so they don't have to clean up smokestack emmissions. Kerry drives a big SUV(and then LIES about not owning it). Kerry is against wind farms(only because of the one proposed in Fatboy Ted Kennedy's back yard).

North Korea? Klinton/Bore made a deal with N Korea to give them million to not keep developing nukes...... They took the money and just kept working on them! N Korea was DUMPED in GW's lap, thanks to Slick Willy and that old hag Madeine Albright! She was just on the news saying that NKorea "tricked" the Klinton Admin.

Iraq? Bush voted for the war in Iraq before he voted against it! He has constantly criticized the USA about the way it is conducted,thereby giving encouragement and comfort to the enemy........AGAIN! Oops.....gothim mixed up with Hanoi(and Cambodia) John!:cool:
 

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Environmental issues? Kerry wants to allow Big Industries to crush old cars to get credits so they don't have to clean up smokestack emmissions. Kerry drives a big SUV(and then LIES about not owning it). Kerry is against wind farms(only because of the one proposed in Fatboy Ted Kennedy's back yard).

Any time a liberial is in office the hot rod world is threatened, as well as gun ownership, etc. I still wonder how kerry being married to mega bucks would ever do anything for the middle class......

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Makes you wonder just how much of the old bat's millions ARE invested in companies that have fired their American employees and outsourced overseas? That, and how much is invested in other er...non-politically correct industries and sweatshops???? Why does she refuse to show her tax returns???? She really impressed me though...she can say "SHOVE IT" in six different languages!
 

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Bush is terrible when it comes to environment

"Bush's Environmental Protection Agency has halted work on sixty-two environmental standards, the federal Department of Agriculture has stopped work on fifty-seven standards, and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration has halted twenty-one new standards. The EPA completed just two major rules -- both under court order and both watered down at industry request -- compared to twenty-three completed by the Clinton administration and fourteen by the Bush Sr. administration in their first two years."


It wasn't discovered that North Korea was making nuclear weapons until late 2002, not while Clinton was in office. Clinton's deal with them seemed to be working, hell Bush upheld the deal for over 2 1/2 years, I guess he didn't think it was to bad, crack a book BT74. Hardly a damn thing has been to protect us from North Korea. No direct negotiating has been done, BIG mistake by Bush. Why do you think this topic is rarely in the media, because we aren't getting anywhere, and it was given alot of publicity the public would be panicking. It wont be long before they have a nuke capable of reaching us, and our intelligence won't find out about it until it's on the surface where our satellites can pick it up.

"I would take President Bush's record any day over Kerry's!!!!!!!!" Gr8 '48 bow tie if that was a response to what I said, I was only referring to Kerry's war record, which is better than Bush's.

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Kerry's wife has given literally millons of $s to far-left and otherwise un and anti-American groups. It must be remembered that this money was once her Republican late husband's money. Apparently any body's money is good enough for her.

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Ghetto, in 20 years as a Senator, just what "environmentaly correct" bills has Kerry passed?????? A half dollar tax per gallon of gas? He DID have the fire hydrant in front of his mansion moved(at taxpayer expense) so he could park his SUV there. Maybe that saved some gas.
He had the stream in near his mansion in Idaho rerouted to water his landscaping(also at taxpayer expense) so maybe having a well watered estate is sort of a green kind of thing too.

He stopped taking his yacht out very often, now that he is campaigning.
So...if you can fill me in where John F'in Kerry and Teresa "shove it" Heinz have "helped" the enviornment out, please educate me.

Between the money they spend on fuel for the SUV, the yacht, and the heating and cooling bills for the many mansions they own...I could retire! And I'm not even counting the money he spends on Botox and she spends on Depends.:sweat:
 

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Wow, nice to see some level-headed political debate. Also glad to see that no one has managed to get past the basic Rush Limbaugh "talking points" being issued by the incumbents campaign.

How about a massive federal deficit which will cripple this nation for decades? See also: health care, social security, education.

How about driving this country further apart politically than any president in memory?

How about not taking responsibility for anything during his tenure? Jobs, the economy - either past democrat issues or a result of 9/11.

How about going to war for a bunch of BS reasons and alienating decades old allies. WMD's - nope. Imminent threat - wrong. Ties to Al Quaida - don't think so.

How about cutting taxes while waging a war that is costing the US billions every month. Billions every month. Hello inflation.

How about enforced morality from the federal government, vis a vis using a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. This furthers the Bush administrations goals of abolishing the seperation of church and state. Name one other amendment which denies rights. There WAS only one, XVIII which was prohibition... that was a complete disaster until overturned by the XXIst Amendment.

How about the VP making more money for Haliburton now than when he worked for them.

How about 1,000+ dead and overtaxed reservists because Rumsfeld thinks going in with a small force and no exit strategy is better than the overwhelming force and clear exit strategy advised by every senior military official, including Colin Powell.

How about the systemic manuvering to increase the powers of the presidency in conflict with constitutional checks and balances - for example, the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and the decision that we do not need to honor the Geneva Convention when dealing with suspected terrorists. See articles 5 and 6 of the Constitution.

How about John Ashcroft using Patriot Act I and II to deny civil liberties to American citizens and subvert the 4th Amendment.

Ben Franklin said it best: those who would sacrifice liberty to gain security deserve neither.
 

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Wow, nice to see some level-headed political debate. Also glad to see that no one has managed to get past the basic Rush Limbaugh "talking points" being issued by the incumbents campaign.

How about a massive federal deficit which will cripple this nation for decades? See also: health care, social security, education.

Deficit is a smaller part of the GNP htan in the 50s.

How about driving this country further apart politically than any president in memory?

If the press said ANYTHING postive about Mr Bush, maybe he would have a better reputation.

How about not taking responsibility for anything during his tenure? Jobs, the economy - either past democrat issues or a result of 9/11.

Unemployment is lower than it has been in almost 20 years, The growth in the economy has sustained at a pace grater than any in 20 years

How about going to war for a bunch of BS reasons and alienating decades old allies. WMD's - nope. Imminent threat - wrong. Ties to Al Quaida - don't think so.

There are 80 allies in the current coalition. The big ones that did not participate have proven to have clandestine and illegal financial ties to the previous Iraqui regime.

How about cutting taxes while waging a war that is costing the US billions every month. Billions every month. Hello inflation.

Inflation is at record lows in recent times, as are interest rates with no sign of worsening.

How about enforced morality from the federal government, vis a vis using a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. This furthers the Bush administrations goals of abolishing the seperation of church and state. Name one other amendment which denies rights. There WAS only one, XVIII which was prohibition... that was a complete disaster until overturned by the XXIst Amendment.

Law IS morality. Laws are instituted to allow people to cohabitate profitably and +60% of the population see a negative impact on society from changing the millenia old institution of marriage. One can argue that the Roe vs. Wade interpretation denies 5 million or so cticzens the right to life which is fairly serious I would say

How about the VP making more money for Haliburton now than when he worked for them.

Please define this Mr. Cheney was forced to divest all of his Halliburton stock when he took the VP job. Incidentally, if Halliburton is such a profitable corp now, I assume your stock portfolio is filled with their stock.

How about 1,000+ dead and overtaxed reservists because Rumsfeld thinks going in with a small force and no exit strategy is better than the overwhelming force and clear exit strategy advised by every senior military official, including Colin Powell.

? Sounds like a wild AlGore talking point!!

How about the systemic manuvering to increase the powers of the presidency in conflict with constitutional checks and balances - for example, the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and the decision that we do not need to honor the Geneva Convention when dealing with suspected terrorists. See articles 5 and 6 of the Constitution.

Please give a detailed list of the freedoms you have lost in the past two years with concrete examples.

How about John Ashcroft using Patriot Act I and II to deny civil liberties to American citizens and subvert the 4th Amendment.

Please give a detailed list of the freedoms you have lost in the past two years with concrete examples.

Ben Franklin said it best: those who would sacrifice liberty to gain security deserve neither.

You mean like free health care, free food stamps, free housing, etc.?
 
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