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Guy working the E9 in the next stall yesterday asks: "Do they make white primer?" (he sprays stuff at home)

DP48LF, I says.

He then says his friend has an S10 thats had some repairs. Needs primer now, and money for paint will take awhile to save...

So I spent several minutes trying to guide him toward SPI's white epoxy. But he wants to walk into a place and buy. Still, I pitched SPI. The conversation ended with him taking a pic of their price sheet I had pulled up on my phone.:rolleyes:

Fat lot of good that did me, should have saved my breath on that one. I bet if SPI was in Japan, he'd have went for it.:D People just only want what they want.:confused:

Forgot to get a Cat pic yesterday but the frame horn splice job is turning out nice looking so far. Fairly complex little pieces he is making for it. Custom frames are that guy's favorite thing to do.
I have a friend who is always asking for advice. The problem is, he asks 35 people for the same advice and then goes with the one who finally tells him what he wants to hear.....Even if they don't know squat about the subject. :drunk:

He will finally find someone who will assure him the $1.00 rattle cans at the Family Dollar are first class paint. It's an absolute waste of time trying to help him. :sweat:

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I have a friend who is always asking for advice. The problem is, he asks 35 people for the same advice and then goes with the one who finally tells him what he wants to hear.....Even if they don't know squat about the subject. :drunk:

He will finally find someone who will assure him the $1.00 rattle cans at the Family Dollar are first class paint. It's an absolute waste of time trying to help him. :sweat:

John
He used some pink glitter from the home improvement store in the clear on his chick's car.:eek:

 

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Literally not much to show today. :D Stall looks like a bomb went off though.









Screwed up my back Monday and yesterday a little each. Its talking to me this afternoon.:pain:
 

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:thumbup: That's the way to get a rod done right.
 

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Wouldn't it be cool if Ford still had the dies to stamp that big piece of metal for you ?? That is crazy that they could do that 95-100 years ago.
Sorry to hear about the back...find a chiropractor you can trade work with to crunch it back into place..:D
I go to mine every Thursday morning at 8:45 am.
 

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:thumbup: That's the way to get a rod done right.
I just figure if a feller does a Model A and doesn't do that....

well, he passed up a good chance. Far as I'm concerned, everything can go to the blaster now. With the mud knocked off hopefully they would not have to step on the tender parts very hard. Fortunately, its another street rod shop sorta nearby that does our blasting normally. So they know, y'know? I skated through the suggested parts vendor's offerings yesterday (Howell's) and could order parts but need to try something first.;) Did not see any roof stuff available except hole filler inserts. Which I had said were $600 but are 300. For the fanciest.

Restoring relative order in IDJ-land is gonna be first up.:sweat: Then floor I guess.

Wouldn't it be cool if Ford still had the dies to stamp that big piece of metal for you ?? That is crazy that they could do that 95-100 years ago.
Sorry to hear about the back...find a chiropractor you can trade work with to crunch it back into place..:D
I go to mine every Thursday morning at 8:45 am.
Oh, man. If only I could swing normal people things. Still locked "in the red" rest of the year from obamacare. That is sadistic irony, ain't it? Lost another hunk of a molar Friday, letting that ride too. Usually if I carefully move my back all the way into every postion, things realign after some rest to reduce the inflammation. Failing that, one good hit of ibuprofen helps knock it down. Its so beautimus outside this evening that I believe I'll have a brief hump day rip-snort off the 455. Thats like medicine.:)

The quarters were factory spliced just above the belt, look close at the inside out quarter pic. Don't put it past me to hack them there, it would facilitate wheeling the roof sides to straighten, particularly the right which damn I may have to make. I think I saw thousand dollar plus full quarters somewhere but the roof side stops at the B pillar and has no forward section. I will have much labor invested in assuring a symmetrical "halo" of perfect looking top, around the perimeter of this lid. The roof sides I have here look mighty rough. I probably need to hunt harder but I am A'ed out. Like I always say, the hardest thing for me is the nonstop no breaks in between projects thing. Maybe I should guzzle some ZDDP.:drunk:
 

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Can't recall seeing replacement rear window panels during research thus far, so it was the first thing I reached for. The T strips at the roof seam had confounded me when trying to remove one. We will be eliminating the seam there. Now with it all apart, I found that they are secured to the window panel with spot welds.



They are a heavy gauge and stout. It is in my mind to use them as supports under the shaved seam. I planned to leave the edge flanges that mate there, but may trim them for an open butt weld and support the area with the T strips tied to the new inner structure and fitted closely to the old seam area and topped with a bead of seam sealer.

Front trunk gutter was also spot welded to the rear window panel. I drilled it off, too.



You can kinda see there that the edge at the lid gap is folded over. It has been ground through in spots. Envisioning a different arrangement there but wanting to preserve that edge, its curved.:sweat:

Inside out and upside down here, you can see the cellulite happenings above the window.:rolleyes: Rather than make and splice, I will give saving it a shot...



Some off-dolly work on that crease, and a little buzz just in case anything was sticking up-



This spot... man, experience told one hand to just cut it here, for relief. The kink was just too severe and theres a lump there like half an egg. Other hand said pic first:



Because I was not about to address all that with a hammer! English wheel! Selected a wheel that seemed appropriate and started off gentle. Only had a few minutes left in the day to get started wheeling, but it does look promising. If nothing else, I may lessen the amount of panel that has to be fabricated. If I save it, thats a yard of butt weld off the bill so its worth a shot. Especially since the front edge will butt weld to a metal roof panel meaning the top insert flange is not part that I have to save.



I pretty much just wheeled and buzzed the one bad side to see how it will go.



Sigh. Slick ain't making it to work... tick-tock on the Catalina job.:pain:
 

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Did the unthinkable yesterday... forgot to take an end of day pic.:rolleyes: It looked pretty nice as far as the dents go. Should make a usable rear window panel anyhow. Welded up the cut from the inside, first thing. After grinding both sides, I went back for more rounds of wheeling and sanding and now its fairly lovely. But I guess I got carried away cleaning and protecting the steel for the weekend that I either forgot a pic or just thought I took it. Oh well.



 

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WOW!

Brian
I trust you have feelers out for this kinda gig around Boise. Reckon you'd be smart to stay in the bucks for the next five years but imagine the fun you'd have doing customs all day. Maybe once SS kicks in, you can. On yours.:thumbup:

We all have genuine and deep rooted car or truck love, and we enjoy ourselves.

Did get a pic of the frame horn stuff but didn't upload because I saw up-handed welds. I'll put it up if you guys tell me what you think about vertical beads. Reckon its not a bridge but that might not concur with textbooks. I'll stand judgement on stuff I do but y'know...:rolleyes:
 

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How cool is that!

Did you find you still have stretched metal to deal with or did it come back into pretty good shape?

John
I was so tickled you coulda knocked me over with a feather. Not that you'd tickle me hard enough with a feather to knock me down... or at all, if thats even possible, please... oh I've just talked myself into a corner again, haven't I? :D Well I was happy that the wheel happens to be the right height that I can set the quarter down to rest and examine progress. Its all really just practice for the upcoming side skin fab attempt. Can't wait to apply some pinch and actually shape something but this stuff is still just straightening with little or no tension on the adjuster. Today I had a mind, briefly (ha ha), to make a stand-in substitute for the ribbed roof insert. But I stayed the course and got by with a scrap sheet of 16 gauge.

Speaking only of stretching present from prior damage, plus that which I may have inadvertently caused with the wheel during straightening... really not bad, to answer your question. Much of the necessary lengthwise crown was mashed put of the panel, so naturally it is now way too wide at the front. I feel like no issues will be encountered at any of the seams up top, because whats expected of me here is to remove all flanges and butt weld the whole dome. Then chop it, etc. Everything up top can just float and overlap with flanges chopped off, so that eliminates MUCH worry about the panels having grown in size due to stretching.

So, as much as I can incorporate contour repairs with the chop, I will. For example, there will be a point during the chop when just the roof side and side window section will be separate-able and could come off to wheel more. And hey then I could really wheel the lower quarters as needed, too, with rust patches done. See? Theres many tasks to consider and combine for best results, but imagine removing the quarter once its chopped and tacked, to finish most of the chop seam off the car. Or at least to dress some. Its secretly a blast for me figuring out the best way given these optimal circumstances. I ponder on it as I do the task at hand, and while I drive junk.

Here are a couple of things that are holding the body parts in place at this point, the roof insert place holder, clamped, and an adjustable cross member at the bottom front corner of the side windows. Body is screwed back to the jig at trunk gutters currently, but tails of the quarters are long now. Meh, I just kinda got it pinned back up there and slid the floor in. Now I can do some alignment of reference points and find what unseen issues exist.





First example: After slicing the weld on the right roof side and straightening it somewhat, it sticks way out at the front tip. You gotta shove to get it in behind this little retainer here-



So, if I can get all Perry Mason for a sec... the smashing of the rear of the roof pancaked the front, flanged edge of the rear window panel, pushing the right quarter out and creating a right roof side kink that was cut then welded. Probably just enough to keep the door from hitting the running board when opened?

All the necessary crown at the leading edge of the rear window panel, she is smasha flat. When restoring that, I may be able to achieve a correct front width of the panel but the T strip area is to be shaved. In theory, I could cut off all flanges and screw strips behind them during the work process and let all the edges float that way. I could then block up the roof insert squarely as desired after chopping and simply push the adjacent panels up to meet it. However, the lesson I took from the 33 with Camaro roof in that scenario was that I want the fill panel installed from below.

Meaning it's edges support the adjacent overlapping flanges until the seam is tacked and trimmed. To counter gravity's unfortunate effect on warpage if the fill panel is installed from the top. Screwed, layered strips rather than initial tacks while trimming an overlapped fill panel seems like it might be the high road there, too. Fortunately, there will be a way to get the fill panel inside the car for this, since it is so in pieces.
 

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DAMN !! That looks 100% better...you pulled off a major save on that roof.
It was quite a workout and I may have created a few new dance moves with the quarters especially, but to me the important thing is the wheel practice. That blamed Lazze guy makes it look so easy. But this straightening with the wheel is a mind blower dude. A godsend for a man with a clapped out wrist. Wow is what I say, too. You gotta know it about kilt me to forget a pic of that last week.:sweat: Being the Show and Teller that I am.:rolleyes:

So far, straightening on the wheel puts me in a good mood. Cranking down the knob is another matter entirely! But I am ending up in the ditch less so to speak, with the wheel steering. Not unlike backing a trailer which is a stamp I never earned for my man card. I'll stand for judgement on that, but I just never had an opportunity to practice with nobody looking. :D So its a wonder I haven't visibly botched this yet. Just going for my honorary junior english wheel merit badge here, and if theres no soft serve afterwards, forget it!
 

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Thanks for piping up guys. That was the last slide. John if you'll turn the lights back on, we'll all kill whats left of the punch and catch y'all on the flipside. Somebody wake Pugsy up. Drive safe. :)
 

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I hope I don't get too big for my britches here.

One of the things you can do with the E-wheel is add the crown back into a pancaked panel using the same technique you would use if you were making an A model hood with the wheel instead of using a slip roll.

Place the panel cross ways in the wheel with no pressure and with a very low crown anvil. As you draw the panel out gently push the leading edge down. Repeat all along the panel repeatedly until you have restored the crown accross the panel. That, of course would be much easier if the roof section was apart and you weren't trying to manipulate a 5 foot square piece of floppy roof.

Here are a couple of pictures of me adding the roll on the bottom of the rear quarter for the '53. At this point there is no pressure on the wheels so the panel is not growing, just bending.



 

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Thanks for piping up guys. That was the last slide. John if you'll turn the lights back on, we'll all kill whats left of the punch and catch y'all on the flipside. Somebody wake Pugsy up. Drive safe. :)

I'm awake....just pondering how much pressure you're using to do your thing. You should almost be able to slide the panel around so you don't stretch it too much. Too much crown and you're screwed. You would then need to stretch the edges only to take out the access crown.


And no driving here....:(
 
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