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This car is ridiculous, nobody from any local alignment shops can solve the problem.......maybe....

A. Because it only happens soon after hitting a rut or bump in the road.
B. Occasionally when turning and the car lifts to one side or the other.
C. It has struts and the alignment is perfect, so it MUST BE TOWER/TIE ROD/BUSHING AND BOLT CONTROL ARM RELATED?????

Extremely loud rattle noise from front end after the above mentioned conditions.........

Anybody know what type of shop to search for in my area? I cant necessarily type in NASCAR CHASSIS REPAIR lol.:spank:
 

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year.. make .. model... really helps with this type of issue..

a photograph of the last or the last several computerized wheel alignment printouts..

there are wheel alignments done in tire stores..

there are wheel alignment specialty shops that only do wheel alignment and suspension work..

do you have a yellow pages... look under the W section for wheel alignment

some of us spent a lot of time bent over fenders doing wheel alignments.

when you have one side lifting and creaking or groaning noises.. you could have several issues..

binding shocks because the alignment angles are way off..

totally screwed up ackerman .. ackerman is when you turn the wheels to make a turn.. all the tires go around a different circle.. if the front tires don't point toward the proper circle.. they will bind as if the toe in was crazy out of spec..

there are bump steer issues.. where the suspension movement up and down causes excessive toe in change... usually in the wrong way. but it could be either..
this can have an odd effect when cornering at speed also. .



a short video.. https://youtu.be/oYMMdjbmQXc

something in print... that many should download and save a copy of..

http://www.motor.org.uk/documentlibrary/Sep 09/TT _ Sept 09.pdf

this one has some printed angles to help you ..

https://sweetmfg.biz/uploads/files/tech-04understandingsteering-4.pdf
 

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I'm really lookin for a shop that only specializes like what you said here "there are wheel alignment specialty shops that only do wheel alignment and suspension work..

I do not have the recent allignment worksheet as it was and still is straight acccording to tire wear etc.
 

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Sounds like the strut bearings are bad and the bushings on the car are bad. Is this a honda/acura. They are famous for this type of problem. Get new bearings for the top of the struts and find the bushings that are bad. May just need to swap them all out for a neoprene kit from energy suspension. then start going to town replacing them. You will find your problem. Might be something like the roll bar is rusted in place or the bushings have just gone completely flat.

When struts are replaced often the top section is not replaced with the strut it stays on the car and the top bushings and bearings are reused. Then the struts are replaced and the problem is not corrected.

Do you live on a dirt road? I have had problems like this when i used to live where the car took a beating on a regular bases.

Also check the eccentric bolts on the struts they may be installed wrong causing some of your problems. But an alignment shop should have caught that right away.

Hope this helps.

Thanks a million, i have to find a shop now to run all this info by them. No i dont live on a dirt road, its my friends Honda 08'. Im posting because im working on the car and cant locate issue but your input with teh bearings beicng reused or bad and the eccentric bolts sound very possible for the horrific clunker sound this thing makes! :welcome:
 

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I would say take it to a collision shop as those guys are used to looking for hidden damage that may be causing the issue..

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Sounds like the strut bearings are bad and the bushings on the car are bad. Is this a honda/acura. They are famous for this type of problem. Get new bearings for the top of the struts and find the bushings that are bad. May just need to swap them all out for a neoprene kit from energy suspension. then start going to town replacing them. You will find your problem. Might be something like the roll bar is rusted in place or the bushings have just gone completely flat.

When struts are replaced often the top section is not replaced with the strut it stays on the car and the top bushings and bearings are reused. Then the struts are replaced and the problem is not corrected.

Do you live on a dirt road? I have had problems like this when i used to live where the car took a beating on a regular bases.

Also check the eccentric bolts on the struts they may be installed wrong causing some of your problems. But an alignment shop should have caught that right away.

Hope this helps.
I would say take it to a collision shop as those guys are used to looking for hidden damage that may be causing the issue..

Sam
We started with that and watched money swirl down toilet. Im online now looking for an INDEPENDENT wheel/front end/frame specialist in Fort Smith AR area and coming up with nothing. Maybe you can find one easier than me.
 

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Honestly, a good collision shop is the way to go. I have never seen an "alignment" shop that knows squat about stuff like that. I am sorry, I'm sure they exist, but I haven't seen one.

Did it do this EXACT thing before you worked on it?

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I had a car that rattled a lot and I went through and tightened every nut and bolt that I could find and the rattles quit. I bet there are a bunch of loose fasteners in that thing..

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But was it doing it BEFORE the work was done?

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This car is ridiculous, nobody from any local alignment shops can solve the problem.......maybe....

A. Because it only happens soon after hitting a rut or bump in the road.
B. Occasionally when turning and the car lifts to one side or the other.
C. It has struts and the alignment is perfect, so it MUST BE TOWER/TIE ROD/BUSHING AND BOLT CONTROL ARM RELATED?????

Extremely loud rattle noise from front end after the above mentioned conditions.........

Anybody know what type of shop to search for in my area? I cant necessarily type in NASCAR CHASSIS REPAIR lol.:spank:
Something important is broken, Honda's don't make suspension noise. Sure sounds like the floor pan and or towers are rusted out, or the welds are popped, or this car is a rebuild from a serious or from multiple wrecks and the welds or glue used to put it together are failing.

This is serious, really serious this can lead to a crash if not solved.

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Before we go all complicated.... has anyone checked the front sway bar, its bushings and end links? These are symptoms of sway bar concerns.....
 

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Honestly, a good collision shop is the way to go. I have never seen an "alignment" shop that knows squat about stuff like that. I am sorry, I'm sure they exist, but I haven't seen one.

Did it do this EXACT thing before you worked on it?

Brian
It was taken to collision shop after minor fender bender and the shop clearly didnt fix it the 1st time or the 2nd. Not my car just trying to aide in getting a very clean looking/running vehicle from sounding like a recyclable piece of scrap metal.
 

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Something important is broken, Honda's don't make suspension noise. Sure sounds like the floor pan and or towers are rusted out, or the welds are popped, or this car is a rebuild from a serious or from multiple wrecks and the welds or glue used to put it together are failing.

This is serious, really serious this can lead to a crash if not solved.

Bogie

Gotcha, ya i was thinking towers and steering linkage myself because it only makes junkyard sound after going around a turn and stays loud sounding at lower speeds, not highway speeds. Clue.

Also, after hitting a bump its like it gets thrown into junkyard noise mode and starts being obnoxious again.

It was wrecked, minor fender bender and the collision guy failed X2 to correct it.
 

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Before we go all complicated.... has anyone checked the front sway bar, its bushings and end links? These are symptoms of sway bar concerns.....

Gotcha, ya im going to go with havin the strut tower and bearings/bushings on sway inspected and replaced by a crapaxx place like pepboys etc. I will call and quiz some guys and tap into some of thier experience to see if it will be a waste of time/money or to just call another shop!
 

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Instead of throwing parts at it diagnose the problem. First off, stand next to the car while looking at the front wheel have someone drive it forward and backward slowly while hitting the brake over and over to see if the wheel moves forward or back while doing this. That can point you in the direction of a ball joint or control arm bushing.

Lift the car up wheel off the ground and then lift the wheel with a long rod, pipe or piece of wood. If the upper shock bearing is bad it often will allow the strut to go up and down some.

Check the nuts and bolts on that upper strut. Have someone move it up and down while you look at the center shaft on the top, is there movement? Do both sides so you can compare.

With the wheels on the ground get under it and have someone turn the wheel back and forth and look at all the links like tie rods and the like to see if there is any odd movement in one.

If it was in a mild fender bender the wheel may have been pushed to where the strut was bent a little and they installed a "camber kit" to align it. This is a bolt that replaces a bolt on the knuckle to strut. I has an eccentric in the center that allows it to move the strut in and out in relation to the knuckle, they are kinda funky and smaller than the original bolt, it could be loose or something allowing it to move.

If at higher speeds it goes away it may be the lower control arm bushings as more pressure is put on them at higher speeds that could hold it in place while at lower speeds it moves around a bit.

Of course check the wheel bearing while the wheel is off the ground grab a hold of the tire and pull it back and forth and then grab it top and bottom and do the same thing, look for some movement, there should be virtually none.

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Instead of throwing parts at it diagnose the problem. First off, stand next to the car while looking at the front wheel have someone drive it forward and backward slowly while hitting the brake over and over to see if the wheel moves forward or back while doing this. That can point you in the direction of a ball joint or control arm bushing.

Lift the car up wheel off the ground and then lift the wheel with a long rod, pipe or piece of wood. If the upper shock bearing is bad it often will allow the strut to go up and down some.

Check the nuts and bolts on that upper strut. Have someone move it up and down while you look at the center shaft on the top, is there movement? Do both sides so you can compare.

With the wheels on the ground get under it and have someone turn the wheel back and forth and look at all the links like tie rods and the like to see if there is any odd movement in one.

If it was in a mild fender bender the wheel may have been pushed to where the strut was bent a little and they installed a "camber kit" to align it. This is a bolt that replaces a bolt on the knuckle to strut. I has an eccentric in the center that allows it to move the strut in and out in relation to the knuckle, they are kinda funky and smaller than the original bolt, it could be loose or something allowing it to move.

If at higher speeds it goes away it may be the lower control arm bushings as more pressure is put on them at higher speeds that could hold it in place while at lower speeds it moves around a bit.

Of course check the wheel bearing while the wheel is off the ground grab a hold of the tire and pull it back and forth and then grab it top and bottom and do the same thing, look for some movement, there should be virtually none.

Brian

Absolutely, i would have already performed these first to save some money and arm myself with the target issue. However, we are in a place inaccessible to a floor jack (if you can believe that). Cant wait to get my tool boxes here!!
 

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Absolutely, i would have already performed these first to save some money and arm myself with the target issue. However, we are in a place inaccessible to a floor jack (if you can believe that). Cant wait to get my tool boxes here!!
There's a jack in the trunk of the car. :D

Brian
 
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