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Hi all. I rielly need help.
350 small block just got it back from shop borred out 40 thousands.
10/10 grind on the crank.
and valve job completed.
I have 40 to 50 psi. when i throttle the gas and 20 psi at idle but 0 psi in gear at idle rpm is at 550.
I have changed out the oil filter due to being a fram filter. I am still breaking in the engine with 95 miles on it so far.
Is it the brteak in oil causing the no oil pressure?
I performed a plasti gage on crank and is .001 to .003
Any help sure would be great.
 

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It still has oil pressure at idle otherwise it would have already let you know.
The problem is the gauge. Just about all gauges are not accurate below 10 psi, some as much as 20 psi.
 

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I hooked up an external gauge and no differance. My son did have the wrong gasket on the oil filter adaptor which may have let the break in material reserculate back into the engine. Could of this caused me to loose pressure while I am breaking the engine in?? Damaging cam bearings and crank bearings
 

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Yes the rockers get louder the longer the gage is at 0... Buy no noise with oil pressure.. the cam and bearings are brand new. New oil pump, even checked that oil is flowing by spinning the shaft with the oil tube in a bucket of oil. After it sets for awhile the oil cools and then I run the engine till temp reaches 190 I have 40 psi at idle until the oil heats back up. Then back to 0 oil pressure.
 

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Was the core plug installed under the rear main cap properly? Oil pickup installed in the oil pump ok? not leaking or sucking air? Could be too much main bearing clearances also. Its not your Fram filter.
 

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Was the core plug installed under the rear main cap properly? Oil pickup installed in the oil pump ok? not leaking or sucking air? Could be too much main bearing clearances also. Its not your Fram filter.
Leaving the core plug out has nothing to do with low oil pressure all it does is by pass the oil filter.

I have to ask since you wrote this leaving the core plug what do you think causes the low oil pressure ??????????????????
 

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Yes the rockers get louder the longer the gage is at 0... Buy no noise with oil pressure.. the cam and bearings are brand new. New oil pump, even checked that oil is flowing by spinning the shaft with the oil tube in a bucket of oil. After it sets for awhile the oil cools and then I run the engine till temp reaches 190 I have 40 psi at idle until the oil heats back up. Then back to 0 oil pressure.
A few things to check off the top of my head:
• leaking/missing galley plugs at the front of the engine under the timing cover
• rear galley pipe plug leaking/missing
• distributor body is a too-loose fit to seal off the lifter galley crossover
• bearing oil clearances are too wide
• oil viscosity is too low
• oil pump bypass is hanging open

I have to ask since you wrote this leaving the core plug what do you think causes the low oil pressure ??????????????????
Is the reason you posted just to try to make someone look bad? That info has been circulated since day one and can be found even on otherwise reputable sites and from sources that are otherwise trustworthy. That doesn't make it true that the oil pressure will be zero w/the plug left out- but it damn sure doesn't call for anyone trying to belittle anyone else for repeating it. A simple explanation would have been plenty. And maybe an answer to the original poster would have helped, too.


A diagram of the plug and measurements of its location so the block can be checked for the plug being in the right place is HERE. By examining the diagram, you can see that the oil pressure shouldn't be lost if the plug is left out.
 

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I have seen such a pressure problem on a few occasions caused by the rear cam bearing not being installed all the way and exposing the groove in the journal.

The plug has nothing to do with pressure issues, just filtering.
 

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Recieved what is called a wet bottle test tank... From the machine shop that did the workIt's a 5 gallon pressure tank with 2 quarts of oil in it. Connecting line goes to the oil sensor plug hole. I hooked up air from my air compressor and them removed my pan. The shop told me to watch where all the oil is coming from to see were the leak is. I found all the oil coming from the rear main cam bearing. Had around 80 psi on the tank so I am sure it is the rear main cam bearing not installed correctly.... I sure hope the machine shop will fix this issue for me for free. I paid almost 2 grand for this rebuild so far.
 

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I was not sure if the plug under the rear main would lose pressure or just by pass the filtering, I have been corrected. However I do know too much clearance will affect oil pressure especially when hot. Sounds like the original poster did the right thing. I would still check the oil pump and see what pressure the pump is capable of. I have seen bypass valves hung up, pickups fall off and pumps break off the rear main cap, so I am not new to this game.
 

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Recieved what is called a wet bottle test tank... From the machine shop that did the workIt's a 5 gallon pressure tank with 2 quarts of oil in it. Connecting line goes to the oil sensor plug hole. I hooked up air from my air compressor and them removed my pan. The shop told me to watch where all the oil is coming from to see were the leak is. I found all the oil coming from the rear main cam bearing. Had around 80 psi on the tank so I am sure it is the rear main cam bearing not installed correctly.... I sure hope the machine shop will fix this issue for me for free. I paid almost 2 grand for this rebuild so far.
What may have happened (and is harder to see but easier to feel, and in my experience happens as often if not more so than an incorrectly positioned rear cam bearing) is a #3 or #4 cam bearing is installed in the rear position. Which then would beg the question, what happened to the #5 bearing- is it in the wrong spot too? If you end up pulling the cam, be sure to see if the #3 or #4 cam bearing has been shaved down/clearanced. If you see that, it's a pretty good chance that it'll be your rear bearing.

It never ceases to amaze me how the simplest things are still being botched by shops who charge guys good money for their "expertise". I realize that 'stuff' happens, but come on.

OT- Recently, someone here at Hotrodders said they never measure the cranks they get back from the shop. I replied that I always check everything I can. And it's examples like THIS that is the reason why I say what I said and do what I do!
 

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Is the reason you posted just to try to make someone look bad? That info has been circulated since day one and can be found even on otherwise reputable sites and from sources that are otherwise trustworthy. That doesn't make it true that the oil pressure will be zero w/the plug left out- but it damn sure doesn't call for anyone trying to belittle anyone else for repeating it. A simple explanation would have been plenty. And maybe an answer to the original poster would have helped, too.


A diagram of the plug and measurements of its location so the block can be checked for the plug being in the right place is HERE. By examining the diagram, you can see that the oil pressure shouldn't be lost if the plug is left out.
Not at all but some one posts this info they should know what they are talking about. Just checking to see if poster could back up what he was saying. Thats all.

Some people make up things to post and this might be a good example!!!
 

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What I'm saying is this info has been circulating for ages. It appears in reputable publications- someone said Lingenfelter has repeated it although I don't own his books. So I do not think he "made up" anything. Hell, the same info is repeated in another thread "http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/350-chevy-oil-pressure-drops-zero-when-warm-221824.html#post1575047", running the same time as this thread!

In any event, hopefully good informative posts like by oldbogie, on the other thread, the following diagram (from here, feel free to add to the page or edit as you see fit), and even your posts will help dispel this myth:

 

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What I'm saying is this info has been circulating for ages. It appears in reputable publications- someone said Lingenfelter has repeated it although I don't own his books. So I do not think he "made up" anything. Hell, the same info is repeated in another thread "http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/350-chevy-oil-pressure-drops-zero-when-warm-221824.html#post1575047", running the same time as this thread!

In any event, hopefully good informative posts like by oldbogie, on the other thread, the following diagram (from here, feel free to add to the page or edit as you see fit), and even your posts will help dispel this myth:

If you believe John that kind of proves your just book reader and really don't know how a SBC oiling system works LOL.

CAN YOU TELL WHY YOU WOULD LOOSE OIL PRESSURE WITH OUT THE PLUG BEING INSTALLED AND WHERE DOES THE OIL BLEED OFF.

Here is a good post about John Lingenfelter if you read this John is wrong about the plug under the rear cap.

PLUG UNDER REAR CAP • Speed Talk
 

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If you believe John that kind of proves your just book reader
Are you really saying by the post above that you cannot read and understand something so simple as:
cobalt said:
It appears in reputable publications- someone said Lingenfelter has repeated it although I don't own his books.
CNC said:
CAN YOU TELL WHY YOU WOULD LOOSE OIL PRESSURE WITH OUT THE PLUG BEING INSTALLED AND WHERE DOES THE OIL BLEED OFF.
Are you deaf and dumb, or just ? NO NEED TO SHOUT!!!!!

If a portion of the pumps output when the plug is missing is now serving only to circulate oil in a circle, and is not fully dedicated to filling the oiling system, cannot you understand how that could cause a loss of SOME (not ALL, and not saying 20psi, either) pressure taken by a gauge at the top of the engine?

My last word on the subject remains:

In any event, hopefully good informative posts like by oldbogie, on the other thread, the following diagram (from here, feel free to add to the page or edit as you see fit), and even your posts will help dispel this myth:

 

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Are you deaf and dumb, or just ? NO NEED TO SHOUT!!!!!

If a portion of the pumps output when the plug is missing is now serving only to circulate oil in a circle, and is not fully dedicated to filling the oiling system, cannot you understand how that could cause a loss of SOME (not ALL, and not saying 20psi, either) pressure taken by a gauge at the top of the engine?

My last word on the subject remains:

Are you deaf and dumb or just a @%^^%%&%

The oil is going to go the path of least resistance and not going to circulate like you are making up.

Go over on the Corvette forum as I posted years ago I was doing tests on circle track oil pans and purposely removed the plug under the rear cap on the last test and guess what no oil pressure change at all if any thing at idle there was more pressure. HMMMMMMMM

Instead of making up **** post factual info. LMAO I can tell you base your info on hear say and books. POST REAL INFO AND DON'T GO BY HEAR SAY OR MAKE STUFF UP

The link from speedtalk I posted had some of the top engine builders post that that your hero did not know what he was talking about LOL

Here it is again
PLUG UNDER REAR CAP • Speed Talk

If you can read look this over

 

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...your hero did not know what he was talking about LOL
It's this type of thing I find oddly curious about you. It doesn't matter how many times a concept is explained to you- I do not know Mr. Lingenfelter. Never owned nor have I read any of his publications. He is not a "hero" of mine. I cannot be any clearer on this- the ONLY reason his name was brought up was to try to illustrate to you that "this info has been circulating for ages. It appears in reputable publications..." and that by repeating that info, the guy above wasn't "making things up"!

That's not to say I don't think Lingenfelter the man had a LOT of expertise in the field- I believe he did and I believe the same guys you said who thought he was wrong about the oil plug at speedtalk would readily agree.

But John Lingenfelter is dead. He cannot be asked to defend or even explain his position. I gave you my take on it- and right or wrong- either way- I can live w/it. But I also believe you are jealous of Mr. Lingenfelter. He has done things and gotten the admiration and respect that you will NEVER see, even if you lived to be five hundred.

BTW, what's up w/the same info being repeated in another thread http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/350-chevy-oil-pressure-drops-zero-when-warm-221824.html#post1575047, running the same time as this thread! I don't see you over there trying to bully HIM! Oh, that's right. He has some authority. That often scares off a wannabe bully.LOL
 

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I don't try to bully any one but there are guys like you who don't have any clue what they are talking about do you get my drift !!!

Why do make up things about the oild circulating as its BS if its still got pressure its going to push oil every where that for sure.

Lie I said some of the top engine builders in the U.S. say your wrong as well as my self LOL
 
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