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How do I find out what the manufacturer settings are for the points on my 283 sb chevy? :confused:

:rolleyes: Yes, I will eventually switch it over to pointless, but I just want to get it running.

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If you don't have a feeler gauqe, try a match book cover.

.019 for new points, .017 for used ones. Make sure the high lobe of the dist. cam is contacting the rubbing block on the points.
 

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I actually haven't done this before. Where can I find some detailed instructions/diagram? I didn't see it in the knowledge base.
 

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Borrow or buy a dwell meter. Set them at 30 degrees by turning the set screw in the little door in the distributer, while cranking the motor over. Beats setting with a feeler guage.
 

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The points function as a circuit breaker for the primary circuit of the ignition system. The ignition coil must boost the 12 volts of electrical pressure supplied by the battery to as much as 25,000 volts in order to fire the plugs. To do this, the coil depends on the points and the condenser to make a clean break in the primary circuit.

The coil has both primary and secondary circuits. When the ignition is turned on, the battery supplies voltage through the coil and onto the points. The points are connected to ground, completing the primary circuit. As the current passes through the coil, a magnetic field is created in the iron center core of the coil. When the cam in the distributor turns, the points open, breaking the primary circuit. The magnetic field in the primary circuit of the coil then collapses and cuts through the secondary circuit windings around the iron core. Because of the physical principle called electromagnetic induction, the battery voltage is increased to a level sufficient to fire the spark plugs.

When the points open, the electrical charge in the primary circuit tries to jump the gap created between the two open contacts of the points. If this electrical charge were not transferred elsewhere, the metal contacts of the points would start to change rapidly.

The function of the condenser is to absorb excessive voltage from the points when they open and thus prevent the points from becoming pitted or burned.

If you have ever wondered why it is necessary to tune-up your engine occasionally, consider the fact that the ignition system must complete the above cycle each time a spark plug fires. On a 4-cylinder, 4-cycle engine, two of the four plugs must fire once for every engine revolution. If the idle speed of your engine is 800 revolutions per minute (800 rpm), the breaker points open and close two times for each revolution. For every minute your engine idles, your points open and close 1,600 times (2X800=1,600). And that is just at idle. What about at 60 mph?

There are two ways to check breaker point gap: with a feeler gauge or with a dwell meter. Either way you set the points, you are adjusting the amount of time (in degrees of distributor rotation) that the points will remain open. If you adjust the points with a feeler gauge, you are setting the maximum amount of points will open when the rubbing block on the points is on a high point of the distributor cam. When you adjust the points with a dwell meter, you are measuring the number of degrees (of distributor cam rotation) that the points will remain closed before they start to open as a high point of the distributor cam approaches the rubbing block of the points.


There are two rules that should always be followed when adjusting or replacing points. The points and condenser are a matched set; never replace one without replacing the other. If you change the point gap or dwell of the engine, you also change the ignition timing. Therefore, if you adjust the points, you must also adjust the timing.




The usual procedure is to replace the condenser each time that point set is replaced. Although this is not always necessary, it is easy to do at this time and the cost is negligible. Every time you adjust or replace the breaker points, the ignition timing must be checked and, if necessary, adjusted. No special equipment other than a feeler gauge is required for point replacement or adjustment, but a dwell meter is strongly advised. A magnetic tool is handy to prevent the small points and condenser screws from falling down into the distributor.

Point sets using the push-in type wiring terminal should be used on those distributors equipped with a Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) shield (1970-74). Points using a lockscrew-type terminal may short out due to contact between the shield and the screw.

Push down on the spring-loaded V8 distributor cap retaining screws and give them a half turn to release. Unscrew the captive 6-cylinder cap retaining screws. Remove the cap. You might have to unclip or detach some or all of the plug wires to remove the cap. If so, number the wires and the cap for removal.
Clean the cap inside and out with a clean rag. Check for cracks and carbon paths. A carbon path shows up as a dark line, usually from one of the cap sockets or inside terminals to a ground. Check the condition of the carbon button inside the center of the cap and inside terminals. Replace the cap as necessary. Carbon paths cannot usually be successfully scraped off. It is better to replace the cap.
Pull the 6-cylinder rotor up and off the shaft. Remove the two screws and lift the round V8 rotor off. There is less danger of losing the screws if you just back them out all the way and lift them off with the rotor. Clean off the metal outer tip if it is burned or corroded. Don't file it. Replace the rotor as necessary or if one came with your tune-up kit.
Remove the radio frequency interference shield if your distributor has one. Watch out for those little screws! The factory says that the points don't need to be replaced if they are only slightly rough or pitted. However, sad experience shows that it is more economical and reliable in the long run to replace the point set while the distributor is open, than to have to do this at a later (and possibly more inconvenient) time.
Pull one of the two wire terminals from the point assembly. One wire comes from the condenser and the other comes from within the distributor. The terminals are usually held in place by spring tension only. There might be a clamp screw securing the terminals on some older versions. There is also available a one-piece point/condenser assembly for V8s. The radio frequency interference shield is not needed with this set. Loosen the point set hold-down screw(s). Be very careful not to drop any of these little screws inside the distributor. If this happens, the distributor will probably have to be removed to get at the screw. If the hold-down screw is lost elsewhere, it must be replaced with one that is no longer than the original to avoid interference with the distributor workings. Remove the point set, even if it is to be reused.
If the points are to be reused, clean them with a few strokes of a special point file. This is done with the points removed to prevent tiny metal filings from getting into the distributor. Don't use sandpaper or emery cloth; they will cause rapid point burning.
Loosen the condenser hold-down screw and slide the condenser out of the clamp. This will save you a struggle with the clamp, condenser, and the tiny screw when you install the new one. If you have the type of clamp that is permanently fastened to the condenser, remove the screw and the condenser. Don't lose the screw.
Attend to the distributor cam lubricator. If you have the round kind, turn it around on its shaft at the first tune-up and replace it at the second. If you have the long kind, switch ends at the first tune-up and replace it at the second.
Don't oil or grease the lubricator. The foam is impregnated with a special lubricant.



Install the new condenser. If you left the clamp in place, just slide the new condenser into the clamp.
Replace the point set and tighten the screw on a V8. Leave the screw slightly loose on a 6-cylinder. Replace the two wire terminals, making sure that the wires don't interfere with anything. Some V8 distributors have a ground wire that must go under one of the screws.
Check that the contacts meet squarely. If they don't, bend the tab supporting the fixed contact.
If you are installing preset points on a V8, go ahead to Step 16. If they are preset, it will say so on the package. It would be a good idea to make a quick check on point gap, anyway. Sometimes those preset points aren't.

Turn the engine until a high point on the cam that opens the points contacts the rubbing block on the point arm. You can turn the engine by hand if you can get a wrench on the crankshaft pulley nut, or you can grasp the fan belt and turn the engine with the spark plugs removed.


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On a manual transmission you can push it forward in High gear. Another alternative is to bump the starter switch or use a remote starter switch.

On the 6-cylinder engine, there is a screwdriver slot near the contacts. Insert a suitable tool and lever the points open or closed until they appear to be at about the gap specified in the Tune-Up Specifications. On the V8 engine, simply insert a 1/8 in. Allen wrench into the adjustment screw and turn. The wrench sometimes comes with a tune-up kit.
Insert the correct size feeler gauge and adjust the gap until you can push the gauge in and out between the contacts with a slight drag, but without disturbing the point arm. This operation takes a bit of experience to obtain the correct feel. Check by trying the gauges 0.001-0.002 in. larger and smaller than the setting size. The larger one should disturb the point arm, while the smaller one should not drag at all. Tighten the 6-cylinder point set hold-down screw. Recheck the gap, because it often changes when the screw is tightened.
After all the point adjustments are complete, pull a white index card through (between) the contacts to remove any traces of oil. Oil will cause rapid contact burning.
You can adjust 6-cylinder dwell at this point, if you wish. Refer to Step 18.

Replace the radio frequency interference shield, if any. You don't need it if you are installing the one-piece point/condenser set. Push the rotor firmly down into place. It will only go on one way. Tighten the V8 rotor screws. If the rotor is not installed properly, it will probably break when the starter is operated.
Replace the distributor cap.
Check the dwell meter if it is available.
This hookup may not apply to electronic, capacitive discharge, or other special ignition systems. Some dwell meters won't work at all with such systems.





DWELL ADJUSTMENT

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Dwell angle is the amount of time (measured in degrees of distributor cam rotation) that the contact points remain closed. Initial point gap determines dwell angle. If the points are set too wide they open gradually and dwell angle (the time they remain closed) is small. This wide gap causes excessive arcing at the points and, because of this, point burning. This small dwell doesn't give the coil sufficient time to build up maximum energy and so coil output decreases. If the points are set too close, the dwell is increased but the points may bounce at higher speed and the idle becomes rough and starting is made harder. The wider the point opening, the smaller the dwell and the smaller the gap, the larger the dwell. Adjusting the dwell by making the initial point gap setting with a feeler gauge is sufficient to get the car started but a finer adjustment should be made. A dwell meter is needed to check the adjustment.

Connect the red lead (positive) wire of the meter to the distributor primary wire connection on the Positive (+) side of the coil, and the black ground (negative) wire of the meter to a good ground on the engine. The dwell angle may be checked either with the engine cranking or running, although the reading will be more accurate if the engine is running. With the engine cranking, the reading will fluctuate between 0º dwell and the maximum figure of that angle. While cranking, the maximum figure is the correct one.

Dwell angle is permanently set electronically on HEI distributors, requiring no adjustment or checking.





Dwell can be checked with the engine running or cranking. Decrease dwell by increasing the point gap; increase by decreasing the gap. Dwell angle is simply the number of degrees of distributor shaft rotation during which the points stay closed. Theoretically, if the point gap is correct, the dwell should also be correct or nearly so. Adjustment with a dwell meter produces more exact, consistent results since it is a dynamic adjustment. If dwell varies more than 3º from idle speed to 1,750 engine rpm, the distributor is worn.

To adjust dwell on a 6-cylinder engine, trial and error point adjustments are required. On a V8 engine, simply open the metal window on the distributor and insert a 1/8 in. Allen wrench. Turn until the meter shows the correct reading. Be sure to snap the window closed.
An approximate dwell adjustment can be made without a meter on a V8 engine. Turn the adjusting screw clockwise until the engine begins to misfire, then turn it out 1/2 turn.
If the engine won't start, check:
That all the spark plug wires are in place.
That the rotor has been installed.
That the two (or three) wires inside the distributor are connected.
That the points open and close when the engine turns.
That the gap is correct and the hold-down screw (on a 6-cylinder engine) is tight.
After the first 200 miles or so on a new set of points, the point gap often closes up due to initial rubbing block wear. For best performance, recheck the dwell (or gap) at this time. This quick initial wear is the reason the factory recommends 0.003 in. more gap on new points.
Since changing the gap affects the ignition timing, the timing should be checked and adjusted as necessary after each point replacement or adjustment.

1974-78 Vehicles

The dwell angle on these cars is preset at the factory and is not adjustable.





Man that was a lot ot typing.

Kevin

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1968-74 Vehicles

See Figures 1 through 12
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Wow!!! What a class on early distributors. I hope your are soaking your fingers Kevin! Great information.

Smok'em if you got'em! Class dismissed!!!:thumbup: :thumbup:

Pappy
 

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You are a good man, to have typed all that, Kevin. Especially, drawing those pictures. I would have copied and pasted it from somewhere...................nudge, nudge,,wink, wink.......lol
 

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Or go to the junkyard and pick yourself up a couple of non computer controlled HEI distributors fo 20 to 25 bucks and chunk that point crap! Best, cheapest tuneup/performance upgrade you'll ever do. The only problem you may have is firewall clearance and that is easily fixed with a hammer and a length of 4x4 wood.
 

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Point adjustment.

I think we have found the king of points, and his name is Kevin, All hail him! WOW, I have been schooled! Class dismissed. :D
 

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How odd. :eek:
Someone who joined Nov 2001 replies to a thread dated 11-17-2003 on
03-20-2008. :D

Keep up you´ll fail the exam. :(
 

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How odd. :eek:
Someone who joined Nov 2001 replies to a thread dated 11-17-2003 on
03-20-2008. :D

Keep up you´ll fail the exam. :(
Actually, he has 200 posts....don't know why they are not registering.

The 4 1/2 year old thread thing is a different story................... :confused: :rolleyes:

edit...After I posted, his number came up................... :smash:
 

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Does it really matter when I read this? It is good Information. I thought this is what this site was about, sharing information and learning. I just found the post while looking at old posts and commented. I didn't know there was anything wrong with that.
 

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Points

For us old guys this is a cake walk......
Matchbook cover is 16 to 18 thousands, put the cover between the points, use the allen wrench socket to adjust the gap with the point cam foot resting on a high lobe of the distributor shaft. If you have a dwell meter the dwell setting is 28 to 32 degrees. Thats the book buddy!
 

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munchas gracias thanks for helping me set the points on my 350 in my 33 cpe running like a bat now hasta later rebel rouser las vegas happy new
 

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Once again, this now 10 year old post helps out.......:thumbup:.....If there were more points distributors around, I would make a sticky of it.......I still have tractors with points, always fun to set up
 

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I would recommend making that 2003 post a sticky, just for those few cases where someone is still using a points distributor. I never enjoyed working with a point distributor and now only use HEI, but its nice to have a good explanation on hand for someone who is trying to keep a vehicle original.

Bruce
 

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One thing about setting points. When you screw the new points down and you are on the high point of the lobe you can snug the points down and there is a little notch in the points plate where you stick in a screwdriver and you can rotate the points open or closed while checking with a feeler gage.
You don't have to have 3 hands to do them.
 

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One thing about setting points. When you screw the new points down and you are on the high point of the lobe you can snug the points down and there is a little notch in the points plate where you stick in a screwdriver and you can rotate the points open or closed while checking with a feeler gauge.
You don't have to have 3 hands to do them.
Not on a SBC, they are adjusted with an Allen wrench and can bet set with a dwell meter while running. Lift door insert wrench turn while watching meter. Used to do it all the time.
There also used to be a tool with a gauge on it that you would start the car, turn the gauge until it started to break up, note white number on top, turn gauge until the corresponding black number was on top. Dont remember the exact procedure but it worked pretty damn good and was noting more than an Allen wrench with a wheel on the end.
 
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