Doesn't even pay to argue with you about this.. We did a 100 times already.. Like I sayed.. I did it.. And as far as bump steer.. We are talking about two different things here.. If everyone would take what you say.. No one would ever build a car.. You can't do this and you can't do that.. Man get off your ***** in try sometimes.. You just might learn you can.. Very sad Brian.. Very sad..Thank God you was never around to tell me not to try.. I would have never had the fun in building ALL the cars I did..Thank God..It doesn't "Change" Ackermann angle, it eliminates it. And not only does it eliminate it, that would be cool if the only thing that happen was that both tires turned at the same angle as it rounded a corner. But just switching the spindles side for side literally flops it 180 degrees and makes the outer wheel that is turning a larger radius turn a tighter radius than the inside side tire!
Does it "work" without it, yes but it is going so radically against proper steering geometry one is seriously asking for trouble. People do it because it's easy. People have building cars for years with serious bump steer because of lowered axles putting the drag link at a horrible angle (did it myself and drove for years every day) but because people have done it and got away with it doesn't make it right. That's one of the things I dig about alignment geometry, there is little opinion, it is either right or wrong, proper steering angle or Ackermann angle (same thing, people don't use the Ackermann name much any more.) either exists or it doesn't.
A t-bucket frame is one of the easiest frame to build.. Not very hard to do your own planning..The last 2 T bucket chassis built I used a set of plans from CCR, $ 25 for everything. and there are Free downloads of youngsters plans here on the WIKI , Everything fit, . Before I used to do a mockup using 2 X 4 lumber. T bucket frames are similat to a lot of home built rat rod . One I put 8 in more in the front frame section and another 4 in more after the rear kickup.
Just sad to see people make it out to be such a BIG problem when it really isn't... People blow chassis building WAAAAAY Out of proportion it's funny.. People have no clue just how easy it is to build a chassis without worrying about all The IF THIS, IF THAT..Man !!! Some of the things people will say to someone will scare the hell out of them.. Teaching them is one thing..There is right and there is wrong. I remember my very first job, sweeping the floor at a full on rod shop. They were building a 29 Model A roadster with a blown 392 Hemi. They had chromed all the front suspension and were installing it and found that the tie rod hit the hairpin radius rods. The guy swapped the spindles side to side and that is where I learned about Ackermann angle, one of his friends explained it to him. I was 17 years old at the time and I have made sure I never made that mistake in the many cars I have co-built, or built. Never did make that mistake, because it's a choice. Do it right or do it "good enough". I chose to do it right. I am not telling anyone "you can't do that" I am offering a suggestion how how to do something, that is all, offering a suggestion. They can chose to do it as I suggest, or some other way.
I am also not saying that everyone who has chosen to ignore the Ackermann principle is a bad person or hack or anything like that. You are very right Randy, it has been done for years and "worked". I don't always do the best body and paint work that I am capable of, depending on the job and the expectations of the owner (me or someone else) on that particular car, the quality I choose varies greatly, just as most any one of us.
While building a car or modifying one we make many choices, this is just one of them. You can say it's ok to run no Ackermann and I can say one shouldn't, it's two opinions given to a guy building a car who can then chose what is best for him. It's great that a guy can come to a forum like this and get different opinions isn't it?
And by the way, there is NO argument, we are not arguing, we not trying to convince the other of what we are saying. We are giving someone who asked a question a suggestion that is all we are doing, it's no big deal.