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I'll be the lone dissenter and say I like Summit's epoxy primer better than SPI. Summit's was thicker and filled better and was cheaper. They both spray the same to me. Summit's 2K primer filled fine for my needs, but if you need more then just buy Featherfill or Slicksand.
 

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I have never used any of the paint products that summit offers so I can't say anything good or bad about te product. However I do know for a fact that if I have a question about an SPI product I can call Barry on his personal cell phone anytime day or night 7 days a week 365 days a year and talk to the man that makes the product he sells. I bet from experience with bigger companies, if you called summit and asked them anything they would transfer you to a rep that would tell you something that someone else told him that someone else told him that they learned in a class somewhere. AND I'd also be willing to bet that there is no one available before 8 or after 6 or on the weekends or holidays. BUT like I said I have never used te products summit offers so I may be way off base. As for the ever coat products I have used them and still do on occasion but I have been trying to get some information from one of their reps for over a month now with no reply. With all that said. If you like summit primer and it has served you well continue to use it. I see a lot of benefits using SPI because of quality, customer service, and reputation. Best of luck to you on your projects. Please bare in mind I am not trying to start an argument just wanted to state my reasons for using SPI.

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I have never used any of the paint products that summit offers so I can't say anything good or bad about te product. However I do know for a fact that if I have a question about an SPI product I can call Barry on his personal cell phone anytime day or night 7 days a week 365 days a year and talk to the man that makes the product he sells. I bet from experience with bigger companies, if you called summit and asked them anything they would transfer you to a rep that would tell you something that someone else told him that someone else told him that they learned in a class somewhere. AND I'd also be willing to bet that there is no one available before 8 or after 6 or on the weekends or holidays. BUT like I said I have never used te products summit offers so I may be way off base. As for the ever coat products I have used them and still do on occasion but I have been trying to get some information from one of their reps for over a month now with no reply. With all that said. If you like summit primer and it has served you well continue to use it. I see a lot of benefits using SPI because of quality, customer service, and reputation. Best of luck to you on your projects. Please bare in mind I am not trying to start an argument just wanted to state my reasons for using SPI.

Kelly
Well said :thumbup:
 

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I'll be the lone dissenter and say I like Summit's epoxy primer better than SPI. Summit's was thicker and filled better and was cheaper. They both spray the same to me. Summit's 2K primer filled fine for my needs, but if you need more then just buy Featherfill or Slicksand.
If you find another product that you like better then of course use it. I would.

I just ordered and used my first SPI epoxy and am a new convert. it sprayed perfectly with a 1.4 tip. It actually had enough build properties that I was able to block it out for a small repair. It sanded well and did not clog the paper as most Epoxies will do. I personally believe it is the best I have ever used and am anxious to try their other products. While Epoxy is not billed as a high build primer to be able to do some moderate building with it is a real plus. Instead of using an Epoxy primer, 2k high build primer, and sealer it allowed everything to be done in one step...... Prime with epoxy, block and paint. Ain't life grand?

Just as a matter of record, I have been using PPG DP40LF up to this point.

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Just curious, those here that use Summit Epoxy primer, how soon is it sandable? How long can it remained submerged in brake fluid? Will lacquer thinner clean up your gun if you are like me and forget to get things clean soon after use ( like 48 hrs later) ?
Thanks, OF.
 

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I dont know about Summit but When I left the SPI epoxy in my gun I had a very hard time cleaning it ,just getting apart was a big deal...I had about 3/4" of primer in the cup and after soaking in thinner a few hrs it finally came out in one piece ,,,looked like a hocky puck. I saved it for a while to show people.
For those of us "seasond" bodymen that dont all the extra fill of a 2k ,this really is the perect primer...
SPI black epoxy primer also makes for a great Hotrod black since they started adding UV protection in it....It comes in black,white and gray...
Unfortunately for Summit and all other E primer manufacturers even if they somehow manage to make a "better"primer (highly doubtful) I'll never know,I've found MY primer and I'll stick with it till I'm gone or the company is gone...
Anyways doesnt Summit sell car parts ???? who's making this primer??? wouldnt you want to buy direct and deal with the company that actually makes the product...
I could be wrong but I dont know a single pro that uses Summit paint products ,they target DIY's on a tight budget and they're good at it....
 

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Anyways doesnt Summit sell car parts ???? who's making this primer??? wouldnt you want to buy direct and deal with the company that actually makes the product...
Kirker, I believe makes the primer and paint for Summit. And you can't buy direct from Kirker anyway, but I can contact them directly with questions.

,they target DIY's on a tight budget
That would be me.
 

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If you find another product that you like better then of course use it. I would.

I just ordered and used my first SPI epoxy and am a new convert. it sprayed perfectly with a 1.4 tip. It actually had enough build properties that I was able to block it out for a small repair. It sanded well and did not clog the paper as most Epoxies will do. I personally believe it is the best I have ever used and am anxious to try their other products. While Epoxy is not billed as a high build primer to be able to do some moderate building with it is a real plus. Instead of using an Epoxy primer, 2k high build primer, and sealer it allowed everything to be done in one step...... Prime with epoxy, block and paint. Ain't life grand?

Just as a matter of record, I have been using PPG DP40LF up to this point.

John L
Just be advised, John, that there is a minimum build thickness required for the epoxy to do what it does best, or it WILL rust back through.
 

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ok, so lets do some math....You can get SPI (an exellent epoxy primer) for somewhere around 150.00 (,could be 200.00 I'll have to double check) thats with the activator, thats a 1:1 mix ratio,so you actually get 2 sprayable gallons of primer.and not need a 2k you can use the epoxy in place of a 2k ,(not something you can do with most other E primers) so figure a gal for the metal and a gal for covering the filler and building for blocking..You'll use it all..mabee more...
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Whats the mix ratio for the Sumit epoxy and how much does it cost for the primer and the activator?? it would be interesting to know how much savings there actually is between the two and if its worth it...
 

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From an amateur's point of view, suggesting to use epoxy as a building primer to a novice isn't an advantage or a selling point, it's just going to cost them more money to use a lot of a product to fill and build that is more expensive than the product designed to do so (their 2k) that builds and sands a lot better. I can make my statement accurately because absolutely represent that group.
 

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From an amateur's point of view, suggesting to use epoxy as a building primer to a novice isn't an advantage or a selling point, it's just going to cost them more money to use a lot of a product to fill and build that is more expensive than the product designed to do so (their 2k) that builds and sands a lot better. I can make my statement accurately because absolutely represent that group.
It depends what you are doing Josh. Look at my "last picture". My door had chipped paint and I needed to build and feather the corner of the cowl. I normally would have used a 2k primer there but for an area that size I just put an extra couple of coats of SPI epoxy over about an 5 hour period, gave it 4 days and blocked it out. One step and it is ready to paint. Cost is not an issue since I only used 150 ML of sprayable product. I do not think I would have done that with DPLF. For one thing, it does not have the build qualities and second it is pretty gummy to block sand until it sits a long time. JMHO

No one, me or anyone else would suggest that Epoxy primer replaces good 2k high build primer.

John L
 
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