That is one of the odd things, its shows up somewhere on your screen when you first post it, like attached to the one you quoted or something but then it's at the end too? WTH?read the first page and assume the next two are more of the same and i agree. this blows. i'm wondering where the hell my avatar is, why i have to make another one, where are my photo albums? and how do you do a search? Not keeping the site updated was the main problem, then that makes this site run by a slum lord who will NOT update the new one and then when it falls apart will change the format again. JON! COME BACK JON! O jeez, just replied on this page and it shows on this page (1). why isnt it at the end? whatev. o it is at the end now. wow
That's not even remotely true. VerticalScope is an advertising M&A company. They have their own branded platform. If you go to one of the 100's (literally over 600) automotive forums they own the look and feel is becoming quite consistent across all of them. S h i t t y. Hotrodders is just another victim. You will also note that all of a sudden this place is CRAMMED FULL of advertising including in-thread ads that previously only showed up for anonymous users. Oh, but conveniently, there is now a paid membership that makes most (not all) of the ads go away.It's been explained for weeks now...too many security holes and problems in the old format software to keep it viable.
Why is it "crap" when a big corporation takes over? Large corporations run most of the things that make what we do available to us to start with or is this just one of those pissin' on the tree posts?That all makes a lot of sense, yep, Jon started it and did such a great job then it gets sold and the big corporation takes over and it's crap because ALL THAT MATTERS are the numbers.
Aw I love capitalists who are such boot lickers that they cant POSSIBLY fathom that something is done for a community instead of a PROFIT. As a matter of fact since our forums serve the Open Source community, we don't ask for anything other than donations to keep the systems running. That's it. You get a once a year reminder PM that says "hey, we aren't suckling at the teet of capitalism and would appreciate a couple bucks if you have it."@Gorf - so what really bothers you? That it's now owned and operated by a company that has 100's of sites with the same look and feel or the fact that they are trying to make a profit? You say you run the infrastructure for other forums and are using the vBullentin software, so my question to you now is how do you get paid? Are you part of the ownership of the forums or just a contracted source and paid by your contracting company which of course would then be billing the forum ownership for those services. So now we are back to the fact that a large forum simply doesn't operate in a vacuum - there has to be some exchange of values for it remain viable and available. Somewhere along the line, it has to be profitable or it will disappear.
I would like to point out that Jack in the Box did this in the late 80's with a complete redesign to "Monterey Jacks". That nearly drove them to bankruptcy. Guess what? They went back. Change for the sake of change is not always a wise decision.... And like I said before, can you imagine if McDonalds changed this much? ...
Whats funny is i ALMOST suggested exactly what you are doing (starting a VBulletin website) and migrating over. But Im a natural peacemaker and didn't want to start drama. 😬🤣I have already bought domain names for a neutral site for hot rodders and car builders and have already purchased VB licenses directly in reaction to what is happening here on this forum. I am doing it out of my pocket because COMMUNITY is more important to me than profits. It will be slow to grow, I get it. But, like my other forums, we will promise that none of the BS that has gone on here will happen. We, like my other forums, will promise privacy and stability without an ad crushing experience. And, just like our other forums and my work with Wikipedia, when M&A ventures come along we will tell them to pound sand like we always have.
I remember that, in the commercials they showed the old signs being knocked down and oh yeah, they were going to get "fancy." Then it wasn't long they had Jack back in the commercials and begging people to come back promising the good old Jack in the box! I have studied marketing some, just as a hobby, I find it very interesting. Big change is not good, never is. Remember when JC Penny went to not having any "sales" with lowered prices, they went to special pricing all the time, oh yeah, we are going to lower ALL the prices all the time, there is no reason for you to wait until there is a sale to come in and buy something we are lowering the prices ALL THE TIME. This was a HUGE marketing plan, and it failed so damn back it was crazy! All that was forgotten and they were back to putting stuff on sale just the before! Cost them MILLIONS of dollars!I would like to point out that Jack in the Box did this in the late 80's with a complete redesign to "Monterey Jacks". That nearly drove them to bankruptcy. Guess what? They went back. Change for the sake of change is not always a wise decision.
Exactly, this transition started over 10 years ago with Auto Guide buying up auto related forums. They have branched out into ANY forum that has become successful and now claim they own over 800 !!! Isn't this called a MONOPOLY ????????? Oh, that's right, governments don't mind monopolies anymore, like google, facebook, microsoft, amazon and others, as long as they can tap into all that information for their use too, that they aren't supposed to do or have on their own.Vertical Scope aka Auto Guide aka Astro Glide did the same thing to Yellowbullet. Monty sold out, but he stayed around telling everyone that nothing would change. Guess what, it did and members left by the thousands. What was once the largest drag racing forum on the net is now just a shadow of it's former self. Astro Glide has a goal that any and every automotive forum on the net will belong to them. To collect and sell your data and sell advertising space is ALL they care about. You greedy MF's can't leave anything alone can you?
Gorf, when you get your site up and running, let us know. I'm sure there will be a mass exodus from here as well.
The other group I visit changed to this same format and I haven't been here in a while, so at first all I noticed was the different header up top. As far as ads, just like on the other group, I don't pay them a cent, and I don't have any ads. None. I use Firefox and AdBlocker Ultimate, which both are also free."Upgrade to premium"
Probably mostly means ad-free and is cheap. Free is the only way I am interested. Anything with an upgrade to premium option says to me the free will be going away. Thats just how I read that, anywhere.