Anyone know how many original Cammers there are out there? Just wondering I have one original that my grandfather bought from ford back in the 70s .
roysaric
Do you mean how many were manufactured or how many survivors are around? There's no way to know that.
Google it, find a Wikipedia page for it.
Google it, find a Wikipedia page for it.
1966 427 Ford sohc how many original engines?
The 427's first appeared in some Ford factory prepared racing cars available through a special order. It was Ford's intention to use that engine on the NASCAR circuit BUT they had to have a production run of a specified number of engines on the street before they could use the engine on the track. The first 427 I saw was produced at the Pico Rivera plant and delivered to a dealer who supported Drag racing in the LA area. It was using a stronger upgraded block in the FE issued block but different than the 406 tri-power. In 1964 they were an engine/auto combination in demand with Drag racers. By 1965 they were becoming more common. They had a top oiler and a side oiler. Then came the Police Special " 427 Cammer." By the 1966 model year they were pretty easy to obtain.
Normbc9
The 427's first appeared in some Ford factory prepared racing cars available through a special order. It was Ford's intention to use that engine on the NASCAR circuit BUT they had to have a production run of a specified number of engines on the street before they could use the engine on the track. The first 427 I saw was produced at the Pico Rivera plant and delivered to a dealer who supported Drag racing in the LA area. It was using a stronger upgraded block in the FE issued block but different than the 406 tri-power. In 1964 they were an engine/auto combination in demand with Drag racers. By 1965 they were becoming more common. They had a top oiler and a side oiler. Then came the Police Special " 427 Cammer." By the 1966 model year they were pretty easy to obtain.
Normbc9
1966 427 ford sohc how many origianl engines?
Here is my '63 with a Cammer of the '66 manufacture. The engine was bought in the crate from Pearson Ford at 12th and Broadway, San Diego, CA. in '66. My brother was a San Diego cop and they had six Mercury Pursuit cars working the major highways with them until 1962. Good engines and lots of power.
Normbc9
Here is my '63 with a Cammer of the '66 manufacture. The engine was bought in the crate from Pearson Ford at 12th and Broadway, San Diego, CA. in '66. My brother was a San Diego cop and they had six Mercury Pursuit cars working the major highways with them until 1962. Good engines and lots of power.
Normbc9
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Google it yourself, that should get you a Wikipedia that will give you all the information you could want. :spank:roysaric said:
I think Nascar outlawed them before Ford got enough made. I'm not sure if there ever was accurate documentation on how many left the factory and the way Ford counted it might not be accurate anyway. Probably way more went out in crates than in cars. I have read they double counted some of the 63 lightweights by taking them around and running them down the line twice so they might have done the same thing on other special built cars too. I have also heard of those engines turning up in some weird places. A person whom I trust, swore he knew a kid whose mom had one in a 4 door Mercury and had bought it new. She didn't even know what she had but her kid brought it to high school shop class to fix a leaking oil pan.
Ok I posted a question. If you have no idea what you are talking about why post an answer on somthing that I already know and had nothing to do with the question to begin with. Im not trying to put anyone down but info on another engine is not wanted on my side. The question that started was how many 427 SOHC engines are still out there or how many have been produced. if you cant answer that post on someone elses question...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_FE_engine
http://www.streetlegaltv.com/forum/anatomy-427-sohc-fords-answer-hemi-4234.html
http://www.carmemories.com/cgi-bin/viewexperience.cgi?experience_id=133
I can't swear to the accuracy but here is some info. The wiki page, go about halfway down to the racing section. Not an answer to "How many are there?" but some info to answer questions that have come up. Love google!
http://www.streetlegaltv.com/forum/anatomy-427-sohc-fords-answer-hemi-4234.html
http://www.carmemories.com/cgi-bin/viewexperience.cgi?experience_id=133
I can't swear to the accuracy but here is some info. The wiki page, go about halfway down to the racing section. Not an answer to "How many are there?" but some info to answer questions that have come up. Love google!
Hit the road? What seems to be your problem? I checked just about all your post on this web site and all I see is you running your mouth. Quit wasting peoples time! If you have no info take your typing to a different site and talk your trash. I wasn't trying to bash anyone on this page ,just trying to get the info i wanted and not something else. Like I said before If you have no idea what your talking about don't post here...cool rockin daddy said:
http://phystutor.tripod.com/stang/engines/427sohc.html http://forums.carcraft.com/70/8002469/general-car-craft-discussion/ford-427-side-oiler/page2.html i dont think highball was to far off the mark if you ask me
The engine that highball is refering to is a production 427. not a 427 sohc {cammer} yes the engine was built for nascar but never ran , no it was never in a police car. it was never made in the year 62 0r 63 . The 427 is still a great engine but not a sohc. Here is a picture of a 1966 ford sohc CAMMER
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I don't blame roysaric a bit, he didn't ask for a history lesson of the cammer just how many were built or are still around, which by the way would be almost impossible to know. I was a street cop for 33 yrs, started in '69 and we had a Chief who loved fast police cars. They were '67 -'69 Ford custom 500 2-d sedans with 427's. If he could have had 427 cammer engines he would have. I would love to see a standard police unit with a cammer that was a factory option. And no roysaric you don't have to "hit the road".
Re number of SOHC 427 engines produced
Firstly I have a genuine cammer - early version with the non-adjustable shim bucket valve-train. When you get one of these engines it is not hard to get wrapped up in the history it has and to build one from scratch you have to do a LOT of research as some of the engines oddities are not well known or understood. Mine was completely disassembled when I got it and no directions hehe.
I heard a recording of Lee Holman a while ago where he was a guest speaker and was correcting a few historical "Truths" regarding claims made and still being made about Fords 60's development and who actually did it and who hijacked the success and made an industry/name from it - very interesting stuff.
I was particularly interested in this comments regarding the Cammer. He clearly stated that Holman and Moody were supplied the entire order of 500 engines - in fact more than 500 - enough to comply with Fords intention to fit the engines to Ford Galaxies to comply with Nascars new rulings. He shows a photo of his father standing in front of rack upon rack of the engines at their facility.
Frances was concerned that he was going to have a power race on his hands and the safety of the race would suffer - the suspension/tyres were not keeping up with the horsepower figures. With the ensuing weight penalty of 427 pounds to be able to run the car/engine combo Ford took the hint and lost interest in the engine.
Now Lee Holman made some pretty strong statements in the talk he gave and as he was there and helped dispose of the engines - well into the 70's and sold them at the end for under a $1000 apiece - they cost Ford over 14k per to build.
I have seen advertising that Ford had created in readiness of launching the
cammer in the Galaxie so they were serious about the 500 - we know there were several cars fitted with the engine and at least one with the vin to match. It would seem the production run was halted abruptly and without explanation.
So - if Lee Holman is to be believed - 500 plus spares would be the number and I for one see no reason to doubt Mr Holman - he got his hands dirty where it happened.
The drag racers consumed them at an alarming rate as Ford wanted the engine in the public eye for history and what could have been. The only reason racers stopped using them was parts became impossible to get but they were reluctant to let the big handful of revs go - some racers were nearing 9000 rpm reliably. There still has not been anything like them.
BTW there is a very interesting copy of Fords development run with 5 engines side by side for what seems astonishing stats - 8,500 rpm for 4 days - strip down showed little wear - timing chains well within specs.It is on the net somewhere reproduced scan of internal docs - true or not mmmm don't know. If I was hanging my reputation on an engine I think I would like to know what it could do. Everyone was really frightened of the domination this engine represented - it was many years ahead of the pack.
It is said the Keith Black obtained one through the back door and ran exhaustive dyno tests. He contacted the Chrysler management and told them they had to do whatever was necessary to stop the engine being allowed to run - they did not have anything to match it and would not have anything for 3 years at least.
Don't think we will ever know the whole of it - but that just adds to this historic motor. It would be nice to see it as an option in the new Mustang -
fuel injected of course.
Sorry for the short story but it is worth talking about.
Firstly I have a genuine cammer - early version with the non-adjustable shim bucket valve-train. When you get one of these engines it is not hard to get wrapped up in the history it has and to build one from scratch you have to do a LOT of research as some of the engines oddities are not well known or understood. Mine was completely disassembled when I got it and no directions hehe.
I heard a recording of Lee Holman a while ago where he was a guest speaker and was correcting a few historical "Truths" regarding claims made and still being made about Fords 60's development and who actually did it and who hijacked the success and made an industry/name from it - very interesting stuff.
I was particularly interested in this comments regarding the Cammer. He clearly stated that Holman and Moody were supplied the entire order of 500 engines - in fact more than 500 - enough to comply with Fords intention to fit the engines to Ford Galaxies to comply with Nascars new rulings. He shows a photo of his father standing in front of rack upon rack of the engines at their facility.
Frances was concerned that he was going to have a power race on his hands and the safety of the race would suffer - the suspension/tyres were not keeping up with the horsepower figures. With the ensuing weight penalty of 427 pounds to be able to run the car/engine combo Ford took the hint and lost interest in the engine.
Now Lee Holman made some pretty strong statements in the talk he gave and as he was there and helped dispose of the engines - well into the 70's and sold them at the end for under a $1000 apiece - they cost Ford over 14k per to build.
I have seen advertising that Ford had created in readiness of launching the
cammer in the Galaxie so they were serious about the 500 - we know there were several cars fitted with the engine and at least one with the vin to match. It would seem the production run was halted abruptly and without explanation.
So - if Lee Holman is to be believed - 500 plus spares would be the number and I for one see no reason to doubt Mr Holman - he got his hands dirty where it happened.
The drag racers consumed them at an alarming rate as Ford wanted the engine in the public eye for history and what could have been. The only reason racers stopped using them was parts became impossible to get but they were reluctant to let the big handful of revs go - some racers were nearing 9000 rpm reliably. There still has not been anything like them.
BTW there is a very interesting copy of Fords development run with 5 engines side by side for what seems astonishing stats - 8,500 rpm for 4 days - strip down showed little wear - timing chains well within specs.It is on the net somewhere reproduced scan of internal docs - true or not mmmm don't know. If I was hanging my reputation on an engine I think I would like to know what it could do. Everyone was really frightened of the domination this engine represented - it was many years ahead of the pack.
It is said the Keith Black obtained one through the back door and ran exhaustive dyno tests. He contacted the Chrysler management and told them they had to do whatever was necessary to stop the engine being allowed to run - they did not have anything to match it and would not have anything for 3 years at least.
Don't think we will ever know the whole of it - but that just adds to this historic motor. It would be nice to see it as an option in the new Mustang -
fuel injected of course.
Sorry for the short story but it is worth talking about.
One of my customers has three complete and parts to almost build two more of these interesting motors in his basement..Not for sale.
Speaking of not for sale........"IF" you could find an original never been bored or modified complete 427 cammer, what would be a normal asking price?...if there is such a thing.....25, 30, 35.....50K?
Howmuch for original cammer
If you check Mecum Auctions around May 2011 an original refurbished went for $51k. Considering it came with the original cast headers it was a steal - I tried getting a set for mine and the only ones I could find had an asking price of $15k.
Very few sets of headers were made/survived.
I showed the auction to my wife to help her to feel better about the other gal in my life.
If you check Mecum Auctions around May 2011 an original refurbished went for $51k. Considering it came with the original cast headers it was a steal - I tried getting a set for mine and the only ones I could find had an asking price of $15k.
Very few sets of headers were made/survived.
I showed the auction to my wife to help her to feel better about the other gal in my life.
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