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377 Stroker Build Questions

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#1 ·
Hello,

I am new to the engine building world so I'm here to learn, any help is greatly appreciated!

Last year I picked up a 1986 Chevy K20 that I am now rebuilding from the ground up. My goal is to have a nice cruising truck that I can also have a bit of fun in and be able to run it on 91-93 octane. I'm starting off with a 4-bolt 350 with the 2-piece rear main that is in pristine condition. I just got it back from the shop after having it cleaned up, magnafluxed, decked, honed, etc.

So now here's where I need help. Picking out parts. I've been leaning towards kits so there's less room for error on my part. I was thinking about starting off with the Eagle B13404E000 rotating assembly. When it comes to heads and cam I don't even know where to start.

So like I said any and all help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
 
#2 ·
are you staying standard bore? .030 will net 383 as Im sure you know. You didnt say what power range you want or how you plan to drive it. If its off road then the cam will be short, cr not to high and heads to match most common rpm range used. If its a hot rod then aluminum heads are in order. Pick the heads first
 
#3 ·
Ive had better luck with SCAT rather than Eagle. Scat is a little better on sizing.

Rotating assembly, a 383 will cost the same money but make better performance in a truck.

Look at this......https://www.skipwhiteperformance.com/catalog/383-stroker-assembly-scat-crank-6-rods-wiseco-12cc-dh-030-pistons-2pc-rms_92451/
 
#7 ·
Ok so I should stick with a kit from SWP. I see they don't offer a kit for standard bore. Is it really worth going .030 over even if the cylinders are in good condition as is?

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#4 ·
Go with a scat rotating assembly as I have been through three sets over the years and the machine work has been spot on and never had to have anything done to the rods or crank. The eagle stuff I have seen people having to get there cranks grounded .010 under just to get the crankshaft up to proper specs and also have had to get the connecting rods machined on the small ends cause they were out of specs etc and the machine work has not been the best.
 
#5 · (Edited)
Callling it"377 Stroker" in your thread title is going to trip up a lot of people, most racers and serious rodders know of the "377 Chevy" consider it to be a 400 block, bored .030" over, with a 3.48" stroke crank taken from a 350 block.

The build you are planning is most commonly refered to as the 383" stroker, regardless of how much overbore was used.

If you've got an unbored stoke bore 350 block, just honed a couple thousandths to clean it up, then technically you would have a 378" engine when using a 3.75" stroke crank.....but for the sake of forum boards and most garage talk you build would be thought of as a "383".
Here is Johnsongrass1's link again, pretty hard to beat the deal from Skip White on the needed parts considering the extra's he gives in the kit..

383 STROKER ASSEMBLY SCAT CRANK 6" RODS WISECO -12cc Dh 030 PISTONS 2PC RMS | Skip White Performance - We have the best prices you will ever find for aluminum heads, rotating assemblies and strokers

And a 0.2:1 compression higher, -10cc piston dish...
383 STROKER ASSEMBLY SCAT CRANK 6" RODS WISECO -10cc Dh 030 PISTONS 2PC RMS | Skip White Performance - We have the best prices you will ever find for aluminum heads, rotating assemblies and strokers

As far as heads go, what is your budget??
 
#8 ·
Yeah sorry, like I said I'm not super knowledgeable on this stuff but good to know. I kind of asked johngrass1 the same thing but is it worth getting the cylinders bored over more, and if not then will any of the Skip White kits work with mine thats standard bore and honed? Also as far as heads go I don't really have a budget, whatever I can get that will give me good results.

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#9 ·
Is the stock bore truly in good enough, as far as shape and size? What about when the head is torqued up??
The stock block was not torque plate honed, so there is going to be some distortion of the bore caused by that fact.

Boring .030" over with a torque plate allows you to correct everything....bore sizing and taper dead-nuts, with the bores round when torqued up..
You don't often see a stock block truly in that good of shape used, onky reason i mention it.
If yours really is at stock bore then yeah, stay there and look in a different direction for a kit,,,,maybe call Skip and see if they have the parts in-house to put together a standard bore kit for you.
CNC Motorsports has a ton of kits too:
383 Stroker Kits | Race Engine Parts | CNC Motorsports (cnc-motorsports.com)
 
#10 ·
Agreed...IF, a big one, if the bores are straight and round then you got it made already. IF they need bored to .030 then any competant machine can take care of that for you. You won't really know wtill you get it down the short block at least and measure it up. You'd be looking for something inside of .003 bore and .002 taper from 1" above the top ring land and 1" below the top ring land of the total stroke. So basically just below TDC, and just above BDC. More than that and it'll still run and all that but ring life will be less than a straight round bore. You can decide if you care about it lasting a long time or a really long time.
Id also call Skip White. .030 is super common and so marketing and price shopping that's what they will have on the web site. I'm also willing to bet they will put together something with a STD 400 bore as well. Probably no price difference.
 
#11 · (Edited)
Just a note to echo what others are saying... if you're going that far into the engine, a honing or a bore/hone should be strongly considered. You won't know until you get in there what the shape and finish is on the bores. If you get in there and realize that the bores are even the slightest bit imperfect, you are money and performance ahead to machine the bores. The only additional money is the cost for machining the bores, but keep in mind that pistons/rings/bores all wear together. Simply putting new rings and pistons in a used bore is not really a wise thing unless they are darn near perfect.

If you had a rare block that maintains its value with stock bores (like a Hemi, or a Buick 455), I might suggest sacrificing oil consumption or power in order to preserve a rare block, but in the case of a small block chevy, bore the crap out of it. They are still making them. They're everywhere and pretty much disposable.

Edit.... just re-read that the honing has already been done. I take it back :)

Looks like folks have the stroker kit suggestions under control. For heads... are you planning on things like a performance intake? Assuming it's a Qjet engine? I don't think they did the TBI until late 87, but figured I should ask.

If you're planning a performance intake, I will suggest you consider Vortec heads. I would go straight to the aftermarket. There are re-castings of stock vortec heads with thicker decks. Stock Vortec heads aren't as bad as the intarwebs suggest, but they can be a bit more prone to cracking. Stock Vortec heads are the single best-flowing production heads chevy ever made for the small block... both in bulk flow, and quality of flow (velocity). Perfect for a torquey truck engine. They do require a Vortec-type intake. They have a different bolt pattern and higher ports, so your stock intake won't work.

You'll also have to ditch the computer-controlled Qjet for an older Qjet. When you get to that point, we'll talk more. I can make that easy for you. When you're choosing your stroker kit, make sure you pick pistons to match up with your compression ratio/fuel octane goals. Vortec heads (if you go that route) can take nearly one full point of compression higher for a given octane compared to older heads. If you're running 91 octane, you can likely get away with nearly 10:1 depending on the cam you choose.
 
#12 ·
Northern Auto Parts has great kits. Speed Pro etc. I bought an eagle standard cast crank and it was about 001 over stock as far af I could tell so I got +.001 bearings. I have heard good things about scat even on cast cranks.
 
#13 ·
for extended off road use a 420 hp engine is not a great choice. It will be a total gas hog for recreational 4 wheelin. If you plan on beating on it offroad then 420 H.P. is easily done. The choice of cylinder heads is where you need to start this build.
 
#14 ·
Did the shop check the main bores? A down and dirty way to do it is to install the crank and new bearings, and then torque main caps to spec. You then should be able to turn the crank by hand. I don't know what the max torque spec is to turn the crank, but someone here will know it.

Also, did the shop relieve the block for a stroker crank? That's usually done before decking and boring, and with new crank and rods in hand. And not all cranks, rods, and blocks require the same clearance.

Finally, are you aware of the issues with cam lobes hitting rod bolts? Again, this depends on the rod profile as well as the cam lobe profile. And, as I recall, it's an issue only for a few cylinders.
 
#15 ·
I don’t see the point of not boring an old engine, it is highly unlikely that the bores are suitable for new pistons. Assuming just normal wear from miles accrued the bores become tapered and out of round.

Tapered is ring wear, while at the very tippy-top above the top rings highest travel point the bore is often of original diameter and decent quality, right below by 1/4 to 3/8th of an inch is a ridge. Below that ridge the bore has become larger than the original bore diameter while from there it tapers back toward the original diameter toward its bottom. This wear is caused by ring pressure and lack of lubrication where the combustion pressure is highest at the top driving the ring outward from the piston against the cylinder wall, this pressure dissipates as the piston travels down the wall so wear reduces; this combines with the least amount of lubrication is found at the upper bore due to the previous forces, distance from crank splash, and very high heat at this point. No engine escapes this it is normal wear the more the miles, the harder the engine is used for power output the more this wear occurs.

Out of round is thrust wear this is a combination of the forces of rotation of the crank assembly on the piston, offset from center of the piston ring, and combustion pressure on the piston. These cause the piston to rock about its pin resulting in different amounts of skirt force being applied to the cylinder walls at various points as the piston cycles through loads imposed upon it. This results in egging the bore diameter in the width direction of the block, what engineers would call ‘normal to the pin axis‘. As with taper this is normal wear and as with taper is related to miles accumulated and how much power was demanded from the engine in those miles.

Needless to say the harder an engine is worked the faster these normal wears occur and the the higher the mileage the more they accrue.

Overfueling has a big effect on this as rich mixtures whether from improper jetting or operating so the power valve is turned on a lot supplies extra fuel which washes the marginal top end cylinder lube off the walls and rings greatly accelerating and increasing bore wear. Oil quality and change frequency and how often the engine is operated either too cold or too hot come into this equation as well for just what we call normal wear.

The hidden surprises occur when you take it apart to find a ring broke and gouged the cylinder wall, the casting had a slag inclusion that wear exposed and is now a depression in the wall, or the casting has cracked in a wall. At this point bore job is mandatory perhaps the affected cylinder(s) need to be sleeved, or the block scrapped. These are all surprises that old engines hold in store and often more.

The wisest approach to engine building is to get it apart to have it firstly cleaned so it can be inspected for damage and dimensions before ordering parts. Guys that skip this and start accumulating parts often months or years before using them are unpleasantly surprised when the castings need corrective work that changes dimensions that cannot use the parts you bought and then you find their return window to the vendor purchased from has long ago closed so you eat the cost of those parts and new ones that will work.

In real terms most blocks clean really nice at .030 over, this leaves plenty of wall strength from a thickness standpoint, actually most mass rebuilders bore the SBC .040 as their standard, your’ll find most 383 bare blocks sold by stores like Jegs, Speedway, or Summit are point oh-forty over and already relieved for a 3.75 inch stroker.

You will find details count a lot, to that end 6 inch cap screw rods and matching pistons allow for less relieving for clearances and have a better shot at internal balancing which if you pull high amounts of power or like to wind it out is a lot easier on the bearings and their caps (mainly the center 3) than external balance.

I’m not a big kit fan as this really isn’t hard to figure out and most kits use to my thinking odd combinations like a forged crank with hyper-cast pistons or a cast crank with forged pistons. So I like to do my own parts picking. If you stay with us here the membership is more than happy to take you through this one step at a time.

Bogie