I need info on ordering copper head gaskets for a 1973 Ford 460 been punched out 40 over. I thought I'd try these SCE Titan Copper gaskets. Unless others who have no knowledge then me say don't do it. Cuz I have been stabbed in the back by 3 different machine shop with this same 460 and its costing me way to much money. So I bought tools to do my own work as far as what I can do at home. I have 2 lathe's a few welders and way to make other tools to let a person do things that I can do at home. Living off disability $960 a month is hard enough and these ?????? people don't seem to care what they do cuz when you find out what they did wrong they already have your money. This machine shop said they punched it out to 40 over but I have not had the chance to put my bore gauge into the cylinders to see what they are. I have learned not to trust what I'm told from the machine shops. I told the owner at the machine shop I'd putty own cam bearings in and I bought brass freeze plugs. So he put in my motor cheap steel freeze plugs and cheap cam bearings and charge me $425.00. All I asked was to line bore it and check the cylinders to see if they need to be increased from the 30 over from the 1st machine shop did which did some other things that made to take it to a 2nd machine shop which did some things to make me take it to the 3rd machine . What a joke these places are. So any help would so so assume .
wesley_meyers
Sounds like you've had a rough go of it.
Nothing wrong with SCE at all, my only question is what do you need in a head gasket application that a conventional MLS type gasket can't give you; on a budget?
Welcome to the asylum!
Nothing wrong with SCE at all, my only question is what do you need in a head gasket application that a conventional MLS type gasket can't give you; on a budget?
Welcome to the asylum!
Machine work is expensive, against a working mans income it always has been.
Copper head gaskets tend to be one layer and many are intended for use with stainless receiver rings which require a groove around each cylinder be machined in the block. These type head gaskets are typically fitted to extreme competition engines, they require absolute surface matches.
Bogie
Copper head gaskets tend to be one layer and many are intended for use with stainless receiver rings which require a groove around each cylinder be machined in the block. These type head gaskets are typically fitted to extreme competition engines, they require absolute surface matches.
Bogie
Make sure you read to bottom what's down there will screw up your mind. I started building this motor 3 years and when the 1st machine shop did't do what I asked and paid for . I assumed they did because they had been in business since the 1950s. My dad took a few blocks there to get worked on so he could rebuild them. I assumed they still knew what they were doing but stupid me. I paid them to clean out the oil galley's after they did they punched out the cylinders and line boarded it being the brushes for me to do it my self at home was 12 dollars less then what they were going to charge me. But they didn't so I got the block put it together and found no oil pressure . I called them and ask if they had did what I paid for they told me they had no record that I asked for this. I told them I have a change on the bill for this and what I paid. They did not help this problem at all. So I took the motor apart and yep there was steel shot and metal shavings all inside everything . I didn't see any thing in or on the block when I got it from them. It's as if they cleaned everything I could see but not the oil galley's. I also saw the head gasket was already starting to rust and that blow my mind that can happen so fast. So this is why I want to use copper gaskets. My son is 16 I'm 60 my health is trash b being I have but nearly 1 million 800 and something thousand milligrams of aspirin in my body to fight headaches over the past 28 years. And not sure how many milligrams of a medicine I took for 2 years. I am on my 18th box of backing soda to fight the acid reflux I deal with because of the medicine to try and make headaches go away. So I am trying to build my son a mad max type vehicle that will last him for the rest of his life. He is not interested in working on cars and any way. He don't like my guns also. We are so different it's truly strange but I love him so I'll do this for him even if it kills me. My dad grew up on a farm so he knew so much about so much. He worked at a old tractor company back in the 50s he learned the old tractors got used and abused and to fix a warped head they would spray the head gasket with silver spray paint let it dry and keep doing this 5 or 6 times. Then they would put the head in a gas fired oven get it hot then the last time get the head gasket soaked with this silver paint then bolt the head on. Then start it up and when the motor gets hot shut it down and torque the head down again. This seemed to be the norm for this old tractor company. The paint gets super sticky with the head and block hot. Anyway I was going to try this too what happens. Or I would use normal gasket and soak the gasket with the paint then also try to put RTV gasket making silicone near the edges where water passes through to stop the gasket from rusting again. I also want to put this 671 blower on this 460 maybe 10 pounds of boost just for fun. The snout between the blower and the drive pulley I want to make a bracket to mount a 
12 volt magnetic clutches like what they use on these zero turn lawn mowers . I need to make it so the clutch engages and there needs to be some slipping so this blower doesn't destroy the clutch. I was thinking of using 2 of these large centrifugal clutches like I had on my go kart when I was 13. I see they make some that take a 5/8 inch shaft maybe 2 of them will be ok. Anyway, sorry for the long return email. I did give you some cool stuff to think about with the 12 volt clutch and the centrifugal clutches. Hehehe now you guys will be up many nights thinking about this crazy stuff I have in my head hehehe. I wish I can see your faces when you read that part. I bought these stainless steel bolts they are to replace the factory bolts. The kit says its all the bolts for the out side of the block. What should I put on the bolts to keep them from being a nightmare to remove later in time if they need to be removed?? Like water pump, valve cover bolts, intake and headers? I have built 7 motors in the past but they were all built back to factory no wild stuff like this motor. These SCE Titan gaskets are said to to not need the grooves cut in the head and block so they say buy maybe they are telling lies also Thanks for any help guys.😊
12 volt magnetic clutches like what they use on these zero turn lawn mowers . I need to make it so the clutch engages and there needs to be some slipping so this blower doesn't destroy the clutch. I was thinking of using 2 of these large centrifugal clutches like I had on my go kart when I was 13. I see they make some that take a 5/8 inch shaft maybe 2 of them will be ok. Anyway, sorry for the long return email. I did give you some cool stuff to think about with the 12 volt clutch and the centrifugal clutches. Hehehe now you guys will be up many nights thinking about this crazy stuff I have in my head hehehe. I wish I can see your faces when you read that part. I bought these stainless steel bolts they are to replace the factory bolts. The kit says its all the bolts for the out side of the block. What should I put on the bolts to keep them from being a nightmare to remove later in time if they need to be removed?? Like water pump, valve cover bolts, intake and headers? I have built 7 motors in the past but they were all built back to factory no wild stuff like this motor. These SCE Titan gaskets are said to to not need the grooves cut in the head and block so they say buy maybe they are telling lies also Thanks for any help guys.😊
No way to power a blower thru a mower PTO clutch or a centrifugal clutch
The PTO clutch will power about 15hp max. The blower will take about 100 hp to spin it
The PTO clutch will power about 15hp max. The blower will take about 100 hp to spin it
What you can get away with on a tractor engine’s 5 or 6 to 1 compression doesn't work much past that.
A copper head gasket where a blower is used employs what is called a receiver ring. The block is usually the casting machined to accept this. The stainless receiver ring sits a few thousandth's proud of the deck. The copper gasket placed on then the head. Torquing the head crushes the soft copper around the top of the harder stainless receiver ring forming what is called the fire ring into the gasket, obviously the receiver ring cannot sit taller in its groove than the thickness of the gasket. So the machining of the groove is a precision operation. This is usually a technique reserved for extreme competition engines running very high blower pressures and explosive fuels like concoctions of hydrazine and nitromethane. For much milder street blower set ups Multi Layer Stainless steel (MLS) is the usual stuff of head gaskets with a formed fire ring from the layers of stainless steel of the gasket.
Bogie
A copper head gasket where a blower is used employs what is called a receiver ring. The block is usually the casting machined to accept this. The stainless receiver ring sits a few thousandth's proud of the deck. The copper gasket placed on then the head. Torquing the head crushes the soft copper around the top of the harder stainless receiver ring forming what is called the fire ring into the gasket, obviously the receiver ring cannot sit taller in its groove than the thickness of the gasket. So the machining of the groove is a precision operation. This is usually a technique reserved for extreme competition engines running very high blower pressures and explosive fuels like concoctions of hydrazine and nitromethane. For much milder street blower set ups Multi Layer Stainless steel (MLS) is the usual stuff of head gaskets with a formed fire ring from the layers of stainless steel of the gasket.
Bogie
Magnetic clutch stout enough to transfer 75+hp needed to drive that blower will be bigger than that blower itself.
that's why nobody has done the on/off switchable blower drive....it can't be done.
Mad Max was just a movie, the switchable blower is just a figment of the writer's imagination.
that's why nobody has done the on/off switchable blower drive....it can't be done.
Mad Max was just a movie, the switchable blower is just a figment of the writer's imagination.
I've run 27 pounds of boost on my car with MLS head gaskets. Unless you are going over 30 pounds of boost there is no need for hoops and copper gaskets.
the other thing. if the roots style blower stops spinning, the air into the motor stops flowing...... so the motor stops running. Guessing a 6-71 or 8-71 blower on top the 460.
you have to bypass the blower to get something like the movie props to work.
you have to bypass the blower to get something like the movie props to work.
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