Kinda harsh-(dumping/moving w/no explanation and little time to adjust), but understandable.

Geez---I don't hardly even look at the engine forum and realize the need for actions such as this.

Oh well----back to the lounge for mindless banter

Bryan

 

THANKS, It's about time!

 

I'm also tired so seeing "I put a aftermarket aluminum intake on a SBC, do I have 400hp? Will I baet my buddy's vette?" HOWEVER this will also discourage newer guys from even entering this forum. I think its a bad idea for that reason alone. This is a place to spread knowledge, not hide it away.

 

I think this is bs.

I don't understand why it bothers you guys so much. Just ignore the silly posts and they go away.

Now a lot of people "me included" will never feel ok about posting anything in the engine forum.

What is "advanced" enough to post?

 

I think this is way over the top, WAY over the top. What is the harm in someone asking how "how much horsepower will this intake gain" and have it answered "It depends on a number of factors" and be done with. If further explaination is needed what "a number of factors" means, so be it.

I don't visit this particular forum at all, but I want to know who the engine forum police or judge is who judges if the question is asked by someone with enough "common engine building knowledge" and which questions are from a "beginer"?

My God, if we waited around from every question from people with "common body repair knowledge" on the body forum we would have days between posts by someones standards or no posts at all by someone elses!

How do the beginers KNOW which question they have is not "worthy" of the great autobody Gods to answer and which one gets dumped like they are some dumb ars who isn't good enough for us to take our precious time to provide the common courtesy of a reply?

I don't know guys, l think this is WAY over the top.

Brian

 

This is a most welcome move. It is about time! Inane questions like that don't have an answer as everybody's engines are just a little bit different. This will prevent lazy people who just can't be bothered to do a forum search from asking crap questions that have been answered ad nauseum. It will also hopefully prevent posters from prattling on and on about their opinion, whether they are qualified or not to have that opinion. I think it should go one step further and replying to a post about a certain part should be prohibited unless the person has ACTUAL EXPERIENCE with the part or something similar and has the stats to back it up! The engine forum has been a soapbox for somebody to get on and post and post and post with no real data to back up what he is saying. Moderator is absolutely right, that kind of stuff belongs in the Lounge or another forum, maybe call it "bench racing".

 

To me, this is a welcome position. I've seen too many forums spiral down the tubes with meaningless bullcrap and superficial discussion.

Now I just need to figure out where I should put my posts....

Hey, where did my post go?! kidding.

 

Here is my opinion; for whatever it's worth.

It is your ball and your ballgame, so you can make/change the rules.

I think this particular change is a mistake.

When I read a new post with a subject matter that is of little interest to me I just skip over it and go to the next.

If I feel I have something to contribute that may help another, I will post an answer. I don't care where the question is posted. I know there are separate forums (which is very good), but I don't think it is such a big deal if someone posts a question in the wrong forum because they didn't notice which forum they were posting in.

We all have more to learn and sharing knowledge is a good thing.

 

Well, either this policy will be ignored, or the forum will be nonexistant in less than a year.

This forum is not set up for "professionals only," there are some that are, and I am members of those as well, but this place is not for that. You'll be alienating 85% of your members.

Its not my forum, and you guys are free to ram it into the groud if you feel that is the right thing to do, but you're cutting your own thoats.

Then there is the issue of what is "basic" being unclear and the implications of very liberal censorship.

Maybe all the new guys should have to wear a star by there avatar? ain:

 

W-h-a-a-a-a-t the @#$% !!

I agree - the engine forum needed help, but isn't this a bit (way) over the top, mods/Jon?? Why punish the newbies(usually) that don't know better with this type of aggressiveness. They need some guidance, not negativism. We are supposed to be a 70K+ group of similar minded automobile enthusiasts and while there is much diverse opinion, this will kill incentive for new members and even us older folks to post anywhere on Hotrodders.com. Even now, because of some of the dissension here, I'm spending more time on other forums - and I'm sure others will just quietly go elsewhere due to heavy handedness.

Dave W

 

This forum is for specific and advanced knowledge engine related questions only.


Your attention to this matter is appreciated.
The Engine Forum Moderators.

I agree with some of the posts getting out of hand. With this being the specific and advanced knowledge engine forum. And this is just a suggestion. Maybe help alleviate future posting you might want to put that is the Hotrodders bulletin board instead of what is reference under the Engine tech now.


Engine (108 Viewing)
This forum covers all engine questions, including intake and exhaust discussions.

Again this is just a suggestion.

 

I personally think that its a bad idea. If you put all the "unneccessary" posts in the beginner forum, who is going to answer them?
All the guys that are very helpful and knowledgeable won't be there reading the useless posts, they'll be in the engine forum. So the beginners will always stay as beginners.

 

are you serious ? in all the years i've been on this forum this has got to be the worst idea i have seen. and just who is going to decide who is allowed to post ? i don't see this in the paint forum where we endure the barrage of duplicolor or paint your car with a mit and 50 dollar paint threads. this sounds like the clickish bull**** from high school. this is one of the reasons i don't post as much either. this kind attitude is going to kill hotrodding someday.

 

Just a suggestion/idea.... How about a forum titled "Advanced Engine Help" and leave the "Engine" forum as it is. I think this is an excellent site and I do understand the frustration with repetitive, trivial questions. However, most of these repetitive posts are made be new posters who haven't done a proper search or tried to find the answer to their question before asking it. I don't see this "rule" improving or fixing anything, in fact, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Oh, and can someone run desktop dyno on this build I'm thinking about? lol, j/k

 

where did my post go?

 

Maybe I'm reading it wrong since I'm in the vast minority with my original position.

How about this......I don't see the "report post" icon on this forum. If someone posts inane garbage, we can self police by simply hitting the "report post"

Since the management is predetermined to be hard ***** on it, which I like, this can self police.

 

Maybe we could get an inane garbage policeman, but what could/would he/mods do to the mods posts?

 

Inane garbage and obscenity share the same definition:

I can't define it but I know it when I see it.

I like an atmosphere which is hostile to inane garbage.

 

Some inane garabage is bad, but sometimes its also from a 16 year old who just bought his first car (a clapped out 80's something GM product) and is just getting started.

That's perhaps the most important person to cater to- not to avoid! He is the guy that needs the help, who needs to feel welcome, and who needs to be appreciated as a newcomer, not put in a playpen.

Maybe I'm just an idealist trying to better hotrodding for the community rather than myself, maybe I'm alone in that opinion. Still, We were all once rookies with "inane questions," we started by pestering our fathers, our brothers, or the local mechanic, with the internet this is now the outlet for those guys.

 

I guess this means that one of the most poular threads with over 350 posts would be moved to the trash since it is not an engine related knowledge thread. This would be the post requesting pictures of members engine bays. Honestly, I am not an experienced engine builder, nor hotrodder. I purchased my first such car this past spring and have enjoyed visiting the site on a regular basis, almost daily. This thread with all the pictures I have passed over everyday as it really is of no interest to me. However, it appears to have been of great interest to many, including some of those who are ready to "kick the newbies to the curb".
Sorry but I view this "policy" as a group of guys who want to create their own little world of so-called professional engine builders. JMHO but if this is the case maybe you guys need to move on and start your own forum so you don't have to deal with us amateur hotrodders.
This may just be my last post. Not that any of you big pro builders really give a ****!!!! Shame on you.

 

Some inane garabage is bad, but sometimes its also from a 16 year old who just bought his first car (a clapped out 80's something GM product) and is just getting started.

That's perhaps the most important person to cater to- not to avoid! He is the guy that needs the help, who needs to feel welcome, and who needs to be appreciated as a newcomer, not put in a playpen.

Maybe I'm just an idealist trying to better hotrodding for the community rather than myself, maybe I'm alone in that opinion. Still, We were all once rookies with "inane questions," we started by pestering our fathers, our brothers, or the local mechanic, with the internet this is now the outlet for those guys.

I agree with you AP. I'm that kind of idealist too. Inane comments to me are things like "What's your dyno numbers" or " those heads make great power" etc....... Like I said, I know it when I see it.

 

I read all the replies that even covered other boards here.

You just may end up with going too far in one direction; like mega hi end builds. How many people actually come to HR if they want to compete in Nascar Cup or Top Fuel?

I read the post about the body forum; yes you are sick of the $50 brush paint, roller paint and etc, but why turn it into the opposite diection where $2000 in materials is required to be included in the "group of pros"? Heck, do you guys realize how assinine that sounds to a guy that is building a low end car with limited funds, but wants his car to have color versus primer? PO'ed with my comments? SO WHAT. If you consider yourself a Pro Painter and can't get decent color on a low dollar ride for "$200/$300 in materials on a straight car, then I AM HERE to say you ain't as much as a pro as you think you are.

Same will follow with an elitist engine board with 1 or 2 members flapping their jaws like they build engines for Dale. gimme a break.

 

I think this is a big mistake also. Exactly how is a person to determine what question is advanced enough for posting? I agree with most of the replys here that this is a poor policy and you WILL be turning away new hotrodders or the less confident. Whats next, basic painting, suspension, etc posts being killed in an category? COME ON PEOPLE, Hell why dont you start a 100.00 yearly membership fee to the PROs ONLY Engine Section? What a Kick in the a** to everyone else.

I think DaSouthWon has a good idea, make a new "Advanced Engine Only" area.
How about a Poll on the issue? Although the admin owns the site and can do what they want, this goes against the premise of the forum in the first place.
Pol, Poll Poll......
chas

 

I agree with you AP. I'm that kind of idealist too. Inane comments to me are things like "What's your dyno numbers" or " those heads make great power" etc....... Like I said, I know it when I see it.

Most of those are "inane" to us, but they also foster entusiasm in new guys. I say keep them for that reason. Another one I am tired of seeing questions on Vortec's stock lift capabilities- but if people are asking then people need to know.

I don't think anyone should be able to say one person's questions carry more merrit than another as long as they have thought behind them and are related to the hobby.

It reminds me of a little story in a big book about throwing the first stone...

 

Here are your quick poll results.......so far in this trhread there are 17 unique posters. Of the 17 including the thread starter, 12 are against this change to the posting rules and 4 are for it. One started out as being for it and then had the realization that maybe its not such a good idea after all. Sounds like this is a move in the right direction. NOT!!!!
If you don't like the thread or think it has no basis or interest then......STOP READING IT AND MOVE ON!!!!!!!!
This is rediculous!!!!!!